Homo black/Homo polled 89.562% HB027584. That's a little more than 7/8ths. Every bit as much Hereford, as most "purebred" black Simms, black Limms or black Gelbs are
The right kind of Black Hereford!
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MurraysMutts
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He yours?
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No, he belongs to a breeder in SC. Dude was a Char breeder, and is changing over to Black Hereford.
kenny thomas
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Your gonna hate me but i dont care for him. Too much white, high hip bone. But dont take it bad, i haven't seen the first Black Hereford i like.
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Hey, he is not mine! I am not offended. LOL He has the classic Hereford markings...many a red Hereford marked like that, or even more white. These are NOT black baldies, and not supposed to look like one. They were developed to insure you always get a black blady, if bred to a commercial black cow that you don't know if it is homozygous or not. Or to red cows. Can't say about the hip bones. He is not on level ground in that pic...kinda facing downhill. Clay has one in the tank that looks just like him, that he is going to AI his black Simm x Chi-Angus heifers with, and his reg red Char heifers with.
mwj
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Put that white tail and white feet and hocks on a baldy feeder and you will see the price drop quickly.
kenny thomas
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mwj said:
Put that white tail and white feet and hocks on a baldy feeder and you will see the price drop quickly.
When a BH is bred to a solid cow, the calf markings are the same as when you breed a red Hereford to an angus or other solid cow.
mwj
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Does not change the fact that white tail feet and hocks will take a dock from lots of buyers.
I don't mind the markings from an aesthetic point of view (tail has too much white, but the rest is fine) I grew up with Herefords so have a soft spot for them, but I also like them horned. I mean if we are just talking what I like, not what buyers care about, I wouldn't have a problem owning some just to look at..
He is an average bull at best no matter the breed. Too much white for me, also.
Even real Herefords sell for less with more white. It's amazing how dominant those markings can be and how much it will cost you on a calf.
Even real Herefords sell for less with more white. It's amazing how dominant those markings can be and how much it will cost you on a calf.
puzzled in oregon
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Shoot, I've seen Hereford x Holstein that looked like that.
chaded
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It would be interesting to know his age. It would also be interesting if you could photoshop him all black, call him a sim or angus and see the responses. 
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I know! Or photo shop him red, and see what folks would say! LOLIt would be interesting to know his age. It would also be interesting if you could photoshop him all black, call him a sim or angus and see the responses.
SBMF 2015
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No horns or butt definitely a polled Hereford. No eye pigment.
I just can't get excited about the blk Herefords but I probably wouldn't be excited about him as red either .
alacowman1
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Wouldn't like him, no matter the color..It would be interesting to know his age. It would also be interesting if you could photoshop him all black, call him a sim or angus and see the responses.
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ROFLMAO! Some of y'all really crack me up. I suppose there are BH breeders that market BH steers as feeders and stockers. This one, were it a steer, (and all other black Herefords), have an over 50% black coat. If it were finished at a feedlot, and sent to a USDA packer, with the 50% or more black coat, and no dairy influence, and a less than 2" hump, the carcass would be stamped and sent over to the area to grade for CAB. And if the hot carcass weight was less than 1100 lbs, the REA the right size, and with the correct marbling, and it met the six other criteria for CAB, it would get CAB status, and would bring the CAB premium! But as a bull, if not used by a seed stock producer, but instead used on commercial cattle, then it would always produce a black, polled calf, even if the cows were hetera for black like some "Angus" and other black cattle. And even if the cows were red. A red Angus crossed with this bull, would produce a black baldy calf, that would be indistinguishable from a black baldy from a black angus cow bred to a red Hereford bull. Even with a DNA test! And another area that is catching on fast, is using these bulls on Brahma cows to get black f1Brafords. These cows sell for a little more than a comparable red, tiger stripe or chocolate f1. And the black f1 steers certainly do . and you take those black f1 cows, and breed them back to a homo for black Angus, Simm, SimmAngus, etc, you will get a black baldy calf with a little ear, and a hump below 2".
When I bought those 80 first calf reg Brahmas for Wayne a couple of years ago, they were all bred to Herefords. About 20 of them were bred to a black Hereford, and the resulting heifers brought about $250 more than the red or tiger striped ones did. And the back steers brought a lot more than the other did. In fact, he ordered sexed semen and bred 30 of the Brahmas back to a black Hereford. Those f1's were sold at birth, and delivered to the buyer at weaning. I have 4 registered grey Brahma cows myself, that I AI'ed to BH sexed semen, at a customers request. Those calves are pre-sold as well.
Early in 2023, a grandson of a friend of mine came up to me at a roping, and said his grandpa was retiring from the row crop business, and the boy's daddy wanted no part of farming, so it went to the grandson. About 500 acres, I believe, that had been mostly beans. He wanted to start in the cow-calf business, and really liked the idea of black baldies. He got the grants for seed and fertilizer to sow it all in pasture, and the grants to cross fence it. Sold the combine and two bigger tractors, and got enough to buy hay equipment and a stock trailer. He sure didn't want a pasture full of red Herefords to breed to Angus bulls, and it was going to be more costly to buy reg Angus cows to breed to a Hereford. So, I found a herd of reg red Angus being sold by someone going out of business, and we got them a lot cheaper than what it would cost to get reg black Angus this nice. I also found him 10 reg Red Brangus cows at a fire sale price. We were able to find some reg black Hereford bulls ( homo for black and polled) for about the same money he would have to pay for reg red Hereford bulls, and a lot less than he'd have to pay for the same caliber reg Black Angus bulls. He has a load of black baldy calves ready to go to the sale after the holidays. There is no one on earth, that could tell these from the back Angus/red Hereford black baldies that will be at the sale that day. He did end up getting 4 black angus and one Brangus cow, too. If any of these have a heifer calf, and if he wanted to retain it, or if he sold it to someone as a replacement, then that heifer would be homo for black and polled as well! You can't get that with a back Angus x red Hereford cross.
When I bought those 80 first calf reg Brahmas for Wayne a couple of years ago, they were all bred to Herefords. About 20 of them were bred to a black Hereford, and the resulting heifers brought about $250 more than the red or tiger striped ones did. And the back steers brought a lot more than the other did. In fact, he ordered sexed semen and bred 30 of the Brahmas back to a black Hereford. Those f1's were sold at birth, and delivered to the buyer at weaning. I have 4 registered grey Brahma cows myself, that I AI'ed to BH sexed semen, at a customers request. Those calves are pre-sold as well.
Early in 2023, a grandson of a friend of mine came up to me at a roping, and said his grandpa was retiring from the row crop business, and the boy's daddy wanted no part of farming, so it went to the grandson. About 500 acres, I believe, that had been mostly beans. He wanted to start in the cow-calf business, and really liked the idea of black baldies. He got the grants for seed and fertilizer to sow it all in pasture, and the grants to cross fence it. Sold the combine and two bigger tractors, and got enough to buy hay equipment and a stock trailer. He sure didn't want a pasture full of red Herefords to breed to Angus bulls, and it was going to be more costly to buy reg Angus cows to breed to a Hereford. So, I found a herd of reg red Angus being sold by someone going out of business, and we got them a lot cheaper than what it would cost to get reg black Angus this nice. I also found him 10 reg Red Brangus cows at a fire sale price. We were able to find some reg black Hereford bulls ( homo for black and polled) for about the same money he would have to pay for reg red Hereford bulls, and a lot less than he'd have to pay for the same caliber reg Black Angus bulls. He has a load of black baldy calves ready to go to the sale after the holidays. There is no one on earth, that could tell these from the back Angus/red Hereford black baldies that will be at the sale that day. He did end up getting 4 black angus and one Brangus cow, too. If any of these have a heifer calf, and if he wanted to retain it, or if he sold it to someone as a replacement, then that heifer would be homo for black and polled as well! You can't get that with a back Angus x red Hereford cross.
Silver
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The problem I have with the bull in the OP is that it doesn't look like a bull. It could just as easily be a medium quality, long legged steer.
I prefer bulls to look like bulls and cows to look like cows.
I prefer bulls to look like bulls and cows to look like cows.
Ky hills
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I've always believed that there are some breeds in which the bulls will cross breed with about any kind of cow and give even a Heinz 57 cow herd at least a bit of uniformity. Those breeds that come to mind are Angus and Charolais.
As much as I like Herefords, and I firmly believe that they are an excellent choice to cross with Angus, I don't think Hereford bulls are well suited for mixed herds if conservatively marked uniform color is the goal. The same thing can be said of the "black" Hereford. IF and only IF a "black" Hereford bull is homozygous black will the calves be black hided and if the cows are mixed with Hereford, Simmentals there is still going to be huge potential for some calves to have excess white. Most all of the registered "black" Herefords I see around here are only heterozygous black, I'm sure there are a few homozygous black ones around but certainly just a few.
If somebody has predominantly Angus cows then a Hereford bull is a great option, as most present day registered Angus are not red carriers and will yield black conservatively marked BWF calves.
I really don't see a point in "black"Hereford for Angus cows when a good Hereford will get good BWF calves.
We have mostly Hereford and commercial black cows most of which are red carriers. We used a crossbred 3/4 Angus 1/4 Hereford and on Hereford and BWF cows there was always 20-30% a f the calves that had a massive amount of white even though he himself was very conservatively marked with very little white other than his face.
Even though the calves were the same genetics as other calves, those white legged, calves would always be pulled out and fold separately at atleast a .20 dock.
My thinking is that with Herefords or BWF cows or maybe even Simmental cross, even a homozygous "black" Hereford bull would put out sone white legged, feather necked calves.
Those kind of calves will probably do good and make money for the end product folks, but the cow calf man is sure not going to get any CAB benefit from the calves, unless they are out of true Angus or Angus cross of other solid color backgrounds.
As much as I like Herefords, and I firmly believe that they are an excellent choice to cross with Angus, I don't think Hereford bulls are well suited for mixed herds if conservatively marked uniform color is the goal. The same thing can be said of the "black" Hereford. IF and only IF a "black" Hereford bull is homozygous black will the calves be black hided and if the cows are mixed with Hereford, Simmentals there is still going to be huge potential for some calves to have excess white. Most all of the registered "black" Herefords I see around here are only heterozygous black, I'm sure there are a few homozygous black ones around but certainly just a few.
If somebody has predominantly Angus cows then a Hereford bull is a great option, as most present day registered Angus are not red carriers and will yield black conservatively marked BWF calves.
I really don't see a point in "black"Hereford for Angus cows when a good Hereford will get good BWF calves.
We have mostly Hereford and commercial black cows most of which are red carriers. We used a crossbred 3/4 Angus 1/4 Hereford and on Hereford and BWF cows there was always 20-30% a f the calves that had a massive amount of white even though he himself was very conservatively marked with very little white other than his face.
Even though the calves were the same genetics as other calves, those white legged, calves would always be pulled out and fold separately at atleast a .20 dock.
My thinking is that with Herefords or BWF cows or maybe even Simmental cross, even a homozygous "black" Hereford bull would put out sone white legged, feather necked calves.
Those kind of calves will probably do good and make money for the end product folks, but the cow calf man is sure not going to get any CAB benefit from the calves, unless they are out of true Angus or Angus cross of other solid color backgrounds.
M.Magis
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This. Would have been an okay steer. He's lacking for a bull, no matter what color.
