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The Liberals’ Creed
May 27, 2004

by: Robert Alt
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Kirkuk, Iraq—For all the talk about a widening religiosity gap between the right and the left, sentiment from the left indicates a certain religious fervor about the war in Iraq. A string of recent letters and articles from those of a more liberal persuasion suggest that they choose to ignore or simply do not believe information which is inconsistent with their basic tenets. Theirs is a policy of faith, and here is their creed.

We believe in the United Nations, and Kofi Annan, the maker of international legitimacy.

We believe that the UN inspections worked.
We believe that SCUD missiles fired at U.S. troops minutes after the war began don’t change anything;
We believe that 3 liters of sarin gas used against U.S. troops doesn’t change anything;
We believe that finding evidence of mustard gas doesn’t change anything.

We believe that the war in Iraq conducted by a Republican president was unjustified because it lacked UN approval;
We believe that the "military action" in Kosovo conducted by a Democratic president was justified without UN approval.

We believe that the Iraq war was unilateral.
We believe that the participation of Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Dominican Republic, El Salvador, Estonia, Georgia, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Kazakhstan, South Korea, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, Moldova, Mongolia, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Spain, Thailand, United Kingdom, and Ukraine does not change the fact that the war was unilateral;
We believe that multilateralism can only be achieved with the participation of France and Germany;
We believe in multilateralism.

We believe that this war was motivated by greed and oil;
We believe that when France, Germany, and Russia opposed the war, they were motivated by principle, and not by sweetheart oil deals or Oil-For-Food kickbacks;
We believe that US oil prices are too high, and that the administration failed in its responsibility to do something about it.

We believe that the U.S. may only legitimately use force for humanitarian ends in one place if it does so in all places where aid might be needed;
We believe that the U.S. may not quell threats in places where the cost is relatively low unless it is willing to use force in places like North Korea, where the cost in lives would likely be very high;
We believe that a humanitarian action is only truly humanitarian if there are no strategic interests to muddle the altruism.

We believe that President Bush lied.
We believe that Prime Minister Blair lied.
We believe that when Hillary Clinton and Dick Gephardt voted for the war based on the same intelligence relied upon by Bush and Blair, they made reasonable decisions based on the intelligence available at the time.

We believe that the administration did not make the case for war;
We believe that the administration offered many different reasons but could not offer a coherent message explaining the need to go to war;
We believe that the administration made perfectly clear that the only reason we were going to war was because of the threat from WMDs.

We believe that there were no WMDs.
We believe that finding sarin gas is 14th page news;
We believe that if the sarin gas is old, then it really isn’t a WMD we were looking for;
We believe that it wasn’t really sarin gas;
We believe that sarin gas isn’t necessarily a WMD.

We believe that there was no terrorist connection to, or threat from, Iraq.
We believe that members of Abu Nidal in Iraq would not have committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded;
We believe that al Qaeda operative Abu Musab al-Zarqawi would not have committed terrorist acts if we had not invaded;
We believe that Saddam’s terrorist training camp at Salman Pak—complete with a Boeing 707 plane used for hijacking drills—did not exist or posed no real threat;
We believe that it was merely a coincidence that the pharmaceutical factory bombed by President Clinton in Sudan was using al Qaeda funds and a uniquely Iraqi formula to produce VX gas;
We believe that we are responsible for bringing terror on ourselves.

We believe that the prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib is widespread and is probably the tip of the iceberg;
We believe that Abu Ghraib proves that the America’s occupation is no different than Saddam’s tyranny;
We believe that any attempt to suggest that there is a moral difference between a regime which systematically killed 300,000 people and tortured countless others and a regime which punished the acts of Abu Ghraib is illegitimate.

We believe that soldiers deliberately target women and children;
We believe that the soldiers abuse and kill Iraqis because they are racists;
We support our troops.

We believe that no one should question our statement that we "support our troops;"
We believe that the best thing that could happen for this country would be for Bush to lose in November;
We believe that the best way for Bush to lose in November is for the Iraq effort to go poorly, even if that means that more Iraqis and troops will die;
We believe that most of the troops are minorities and the poor;
We believe that when the word "heroes" is used to describe our troops, it should always be enclosed in scare quotes.

We believe in quagmire.
We believe that when fringe Iraqi groups attack hard targets and are soundly defeated with relatively low Coalition casualties, that this is inescapable evidence of crisis;
We believe that Iraq is Bush’s Vietnam.

We believe that Vietnam is the lens through which all wars should be viewed.
We believe that soldiers in Vietnam were baby killers;
We believe that John Kerry is a hero for his service in Vietnam.

We believe that because John Kerry is a hero, he necessarily has the national security expertise necessary to be commander-in-chief.
We believe that any attempt to question his national security expertise based on his voting record, including his decision to vote against a supplemental bill used to buy the soldiers body armor, is an unfair attack on the patriotism of a hero, who by virtue of this honorific has the expertise to be commander-in-chief.

We believe in the trinity: NPR, CNN, and the New York Times. We believe in Ted Kennedy, Tom Harkin, John Kerry, and all the DNC, and we look for President Clinton yet to come. Amen.

Robert D. Alt is a Fellow in Legal and International Affairs at The John M. Ashbrook Center for Public Affairs at Ashland University currently reporting from Iraq. You can follow his daily progress at No Left Turns.
There are two sides to every coin.


George W. Bush

The White House, USA

Past Work Experience:

I ran for Congress and lost.

I bought an oil company, but couldn't find any oil in Texas; the company went bankrupt shortly after I sold all my stock.

I bought the Texas Rangers baseball team, in a sweetheart deal and built a stadium using taxpayer money.

With my father's help and name, I was elected Governor of Texas.


I changed pollution laws in favor of the power and oil companies and made TX the most polluted state in the US. And replaced Houston over L.A. as the most smog-ridden city in America.

Cut taxes and bankrupted TX government to the tune of billions of dollars in borrowed money.

I set the record for most executions by a Governor in US history.

I became US President after losing the popular vote by over 500,000 votes
with the help of major Enron money and my father's appointments to the
Supreme Court.


I attacked and overtook two countries.

I spent the US surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the largest annual deficit in US history. I set an economic record for private bankruptcies in any 12-month period.

I set the all time record for the biggest drop in history of the US stock market.

I am the first president in US history to enter office with a criminal record.

I set the record for most days on vacation in any one year.

After taking the entire month of August off, I presided over the worst security failure in US history.

I set the record for most campaign fundraising trips by a US president!

I set the records for the least amount of press conferences than any president since the advent of television.

I presided over the biggest energy crisis in US history and refused to intervene when oil industry corruption was revealed.

I have cut healthcare benefits for war veterans.

I set the all time record for the largest number of people worldwide to protest my policies in public venues (15 million) shattering the record for protest against anyone in world history.

I have dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

I have made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US

I am the first president of US to have all 50 states simultaneously go bankrupt.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any country in history.

I am the first president to order a preemptive attack and the military occupation of a sovereign nation, and besides that I did so against the will of the United Nations.

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases, more than any president in US.

I am the first president to have the UN remove the US from the Human Rights

I withdrew the US from the World Court.

I refused to allow inspectors access to prisoners of war and thereby have refused to abide by the Geneva Convention.

I am the all-time US and world record-holder for receiving the largest corporate campaign donations.

My largest campaign contributor and one of my best friends, Ken Lay, former
CEO of Enron, presided over the largest corporate bankruptcy fraud in US

My political party used the Enron Private jets and their corporate attorneys to assure my success with the Supreme Court during the 2000 election.

I am the first president in history to have a majority of Europeans (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and security.

In the past 18 months since the! World Trade Center attack, I have successfully prevented any public investigation into the biggest security failure in US history.

In a little over two years, I have created the most divided country in
decades, possibly the most divided since the Civil War.

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and have turned
every single economic category downward, all in less than two years.


I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in Maine. And my Texas driving record has been erased and is unavailable.

I was AWOL from the National Guard during the Vietnam War.

I refuse to take a drug test or answer any questions about drug use.

All records or minutes from meetings I, or my Vice-president, attended
regarding public energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable to the

These are just a few of my accomplishments as President, for inquiries and
more information, my father can be reached! here at the Carlyle Group
offices, where he and James Baker are helping to divide up the spoils of the US-Iraq War and planning f
Great post, LA. Too bad the thread got cluttered up by a nameless guest. I, for one, appreciate Macon allowing posts from guests. Like visiting a new church, it's nice to be able to get to know people and interact with them before you decide to join. But it still doesn't hurt to give up some kind of username or handle if you're going to post. Unless, of course, you are ashamed of yourself or have something to hide. Just keep in mind that anonymity in this Coffee Shop is a temporary thing. These guys will have you figured out pretty quick and you may choose to go to another table!
I have an Idea that this particular guest has posted many times on here
in the past few days. And quiet a lot previously.
I started reading this "website" a couple of weeks ago. I really enjoy reading peoples comments.I was raised as a republican in a "Oilfield working family" I was brought up to believe that all farmers & ranchers were POOR , so they had to be "democrats"!

So imagine my suprise , when I got on this web site and found all of these
conservative, well informed people who are supporting our COUNTRY , TROOPS & PRESIDENT.

I really do enjoy reading comments from liberals , it is amazing & pathetic what some of these people think and believe. I have a brother -in -law who is very anti-Bush, when I try to show him stuff that I have
seen on the inner-net. If it is anti-liberal he says " you can't believe every thing that you see on the inner-net"
but when it's against Bush then it must be "Gospel"

Any way the reason that I'm writing this long letter, is the second post ( ANTI-BUSH)
There are so many things in there, that are so unbelievably impossible for Bush to be responsible for ..........
When I first started writing this , I was so mad!!!
Know that I've cooled off , I'm finding it kind of funny..
So now all I've got to say is if your reading the post that is talking about all of the horrible things that bush has done etc. , etc.
Then you probably agree with the first topic , Which I originally thought was a joke. I guess that there are people stupid enough out there.
And if you go back in your family tree , I'd be willing to bet that you would find some FRENCH!!!
Any way I'm glad that I live in a country that let's me express my views!!
And I'm so glad that Al Gore invented the inner-net so we can all communicate like this.
Thanks for reading this . I've been sitting at the "COFEE TABLE"" listening to ya'll talk. this is the first time that I've opened my mouth!!!
I live in South Texas ( between Flatonia & La Grange).I'm just starting out with cattle, We have 53 acres cross bred cows X Simmental bull.

well I've made this wayyyy to long , It's a great day!!

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