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Are Texas longhorn cattle concidered beef cattle??¿¿
Dyann":1noxvc6i said:The problem most people have with Longhorn meat, is they dont know how to cook it. The steaks for example, you dont fork them to death while cooking.. dont fork them at all. You sear them on both sides and then reduce the heat and cook them slower. This is because LH meat is not oozing with fat.. and putting fork holes in the meat or cooking too fast just does not work. After I started eating this lean meat, the other stuff just makes me gag... cant handle the greasiness of it. I guess to each his own..![]()
D.R. Cattle":3coeaisk said:I personally like Choice grade (some fat) and cut the steak 1 3/4 to 2". Never poke with a fork. Season with Lawry's. Minced garlic or Montreal seasoning optional. Multitude of marinade options if preferred (do this a day before cooking). Sear hard on both sides then lay the steak aside. 2 Coronas later the steak is done to medium/ medium rare perfection. Let the steak "rest" after removing from grill. Drink one more Corona. Steak is ready to serve. 3 Coronas left in the 6 pack for future grillout.
Dyann":j3bharh4 said:In the early 20th Century, purebred cattle breeds from Europe and Asia became available to fit the desires of early ranchers. The foundation stock of introduced breeds such as Hereford, Shorthorn, and Angus were bred up to purebreds in this country from a native Longhorn base. Because of the great mothering ability of the Longhorn and the popularity of this "breeding up", pure Longhorn blood was practically bred out of existence.
Frankie":erykqano said:Dyann":erykqano said:In the early 20th Century, purebred cattle breeds from Europe and Asia became available to fit the desires of early ranchers. The foundation stock of introduced breeds such as Hereford, Shorthorn, and Angus were bred up to purebreds in this country from a native Longhorn base. Because of the great mothering ability of the Longhorn and the popularity of this "breeding up", pure Longhorn blood was practically bred out of existence.
That's ridiculous. Here's the link to OK State University's cattle breeds site:
http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/cattle/
If you take time to read the Angus section, you'll find this:
"The First Angus In America. When George Grant transported four Angus bulls from Scotland to the middle of the Kansas prairie in 1873, they were part of the Scotsman's dream to found a colony of wealthy, stock-raising Britishers. Grant died five years later, and many of the settlers at his Victoria, Kansas colony later returned to their homeland. However, these four Angus bulls, probably from the herd of George Brown of Westertown, Fochabers, Scotland, made a lasting impression on the U.S. cattle industry."
"Early Importers and Breeders. The first great herds of Angus beef cattle in America were built up by purchasing stock directly from Scotland. Twelve hundred cattle alone were imported, mostly to the Midwest, in a period of explosive growth between 1878 and 1883 . Over the next quarter of a century these early owners, in turn, helped start other herds by breeding, showing, and selling their registered stock."
I don't doubt that some Angus included Longhorn blood at one time. But the Angus Association has never approved "breeding up." The breed here in the US was established by importing purebred, registered cattle. By using all the tools available to them, the Association has maintained the breed as pure as possible. Today we use DNA to identify cattle, if necessary. And to be used in an AI program or to be flushed, the animals must be DNA tested.
I also suggest that the Longhorn breed didn't nearly go extinct because of breeding up. Longhorns nearly went extinct because they don't fit the requirements of modern ranching and beef production to the extent that other breeds do.
BLACKPOWER said:D.R. Cattle said:I personally like Choice grade (some fat) and cut the steak 1 3/4 to 2". Never poke with a fork. Season with Lawry's. Minced garlic or Montreal seasoning optional. Multitude of marinade options if preferred (do this a day before cooking). Sear hard on both sides then lay the steak aside. 2 Coronas later the steak is done to medium/ medium rare perfection. Let the steak "rest" after removing from grill. Drink one more Corona. Steak is ready to serve. 3 Coronas left in the 6 pack for future grillout.
Why is it with people like you that have to drink a beer that unless you drop limes into smells like the south end of a north bound skunk? Then it's one of the most expensive beers.
Anonymous":1vqz1b6u said:Are Texas longhorn cattle concidered beef cattle??¿¿
Anonymous":qwyy31ax said:Interesting reading. I reckon Angus & Longhorns are both here to stay, but for distinctly different reasons.
I don't have a dog in this fight but a few items come immediately to mind after reading Dianne's post and Frankie's response:
If Grant really was the first to import Angus, in the 1870's, then I guess you could say the earlier post from Dianne was incorrect when it made reference to Hereford, Shorthorn and Angus importation in the early part of the 20th century – it would of course be the later part of the 19th century. Perhaps the passage from Dianne's source should have read something like "in the early part of the 20th century and the later part of the 19th century purebred Angus stock became available to fit the needs of literally all rank & file commercial ranchers rather than being limited to the wealthy and those with close ties to the original importers" ???
As to "breeding up" --- what do you suppose Grant bred those four bulls to in 1873 and the next few years? Surely he didn't just feed them until the later importation of Angus cows. Maybe all were bred to straight Herefords or Shorthorns already in America, but I rather doubt it. Is it not very likely that there was a good bit of F1 breeding to Longhorn or similar type cattle and then again to their progeny before the later importation of sufficient numbers of purebred Angus cows?
I imagine the current AAA set of rules are quite a bit more restrictive than was the case in the late 1800's and the early 1900's. If my memory serves me correctly it wasn't until 1889 or 1890 that the earliest form of the AAA adopted the black only rule, but I imagine that by that time there could have quite a large number of cattle that were solid black and polled, but that had been bred up from other breeds including Longhorns.
Have a nice weekend all --- Arnold Ziffle