Tell me what you do and don't like about these breeds

[jedstivers]

hopefully without a fight. Red Brangus (with what % of each), Santa Gertrudis, Simmental, Brahma (probably crossed with Hereford, I love tiger stripes) or anything good for the South. Almost forget Beefmasters.

 

[CKC1586]

You seem to have left the door open, so I will peek in. I sure don't want to fight.... ;-)
You wanted to know about a breed that does well in the South. A breed that does well in the South is Piedmontese. They have the dark skin pigment and light hair, they do well in dual climates. It would be worth checking this fine breed out.

 

[jedstivers]

You seem to have left the door open, so I will peek in. I sure don't want to fight.... ;-)
You wanted to know about a breed that does well in the South. A breed that does well in the South is Piedmontese. They have the dark skin pigment and light hair, they do well in dual climates. It would be worth checking this fine breed out.

Thans CKC, didn't think of that one and have never even seen one on those (not lots of cows in my area).

 

[alacattleman]

red brangus good as black, but >>" IN MY AREA'<<< if you don't market them right they take the brahmanX route and get docked

 

[BC]

All the Brahman influenced cows will work very well in the South especiially when bred to a growthy English type bull. If red meat yield is your game, then use a continental bull.

In my part of the world a Brahman influenced female (whether she is a Beefmaster, Red Brangus, Black Brangus, Santa Gertrudis or tiger stripe) is the way to go. How you mate her is what is important.

 

[alacattleman]

some of the best calves ive seen were out of brangus/charolais sired.. growthy well muscled

 

[BARNSCOOP]

What I don't like about those breeds is the ear. Which would dock you big if you sold them at a stockyard in my area. But if you had a operation that didn't require you sell at the stockyard then ALL those breeds are good for the southern USA. Also, some of those breeds come in black which is good because it is very popluar . However some will come with other colors which in my area would get you docked again.
What your operation is doing will determine if those breeds are good or bad for YOU. Great qualities can be had in them all and... serious drawbacks.

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

Beefmasters pro: growthy, hearty cattle; con: little to no uniformity, can be too large in frame

Brangus pro: color; con: finer boned, inconsistant performance

Red Brangus: no personal experience, will not comment

Santa Gertrudis: pro: growthy hearty cattle, uniformity; con: name seems exotic to some, can be too large in frame

 

[alacattleman]

Beefmasters pro: growthy, hearty cattle; con: little to no uniformity, can be too large in frame

Brangus pro: color; con: finer boned, inconsistant performance

Red Brangus: no personal experience, will not comment

Santa Gertrudis: pro: growthy hearty cattle, uniformity; con: name seems exotic to some, can be too large in frame

do you have any data on this.... they may be finer boned than gerts, which really don't mean a whole lot in comparison of the two, but performance?

 

[BC]

What I don't like about those breeds is the ear. Which would dock you big if you sold them at a stockyard in my area. But if you had a operation that didn't require you sell at the stockyard then ALL those breeds are good for the southern USA. Also, some of those breeds come in black which is good because it is very popluar . However some will come with other colors which in my area would get you docked again.
What your operation is doing will determine if those breeds are good or bad for YOU. Great qualities can be had in them all and... serious drawbacks.

Brangus and Santa Gertrudis are 3/8 Brahman, Beefmasters are 1/2, Red Brangus can be 1/4 to 3/4 either way. When you breed that type cow to and English or Continental bull - the resulting calf will be 3/16 to 1/4 Brahman influenced. That calf will not be docked in the south. Maybe from the middle of Oklahoma north you get a discount on a 1/4 blood, but not along the Red River south.. It is funny how 1/8 blood more from 1/4 to 3/8 can make a big difference in price.

I frequent sale barns all over East Texas 1/4 Brahman or less calves will fit most everyones' orders. Maybe that is because they know in this part of the world it is nearly impossible to find a calf without some "eared' influence in its background.

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

The data was in the calves that I raised. Granted it was a very small pool. We once had several (approx. 15 at one point) Brangus cows heavily influenced with Brinks breeding. We kept them for about 5 years. Not looking for a fight, just relaying my experiences with the breed. The thread asked what I liked and didn't like. Based on personal experience, I did not like the performance of my Brangus herd I had on the side. I got rid of them. Replaced them with Beefmasters. I like the Beefmasters since the performed similarly to that of my Gert herd however the lack of uniformity eventually led me to phase them out as well. This may be a petty reason to phase out a breed, but no more petty than liking an animal because it is black such as Brangus.


edit: I will agree that Charolais make an impressive phenotype calf when cross with ANY American breed. However, I prefer to cross them with British breeds.

 

[alacattleman]

The data was in the calves that I raised. Granted it was a very small pool. We once had several (approx. 15 at one point) Brangus cows heavily influenced with Brinks breeding. We kept them for about 5 years. Not looking for a fight, just relaying my experiences with the breed. The thread asked what I liked and didn't like. Based on personal experience, I did not like the performance of my Brangus herd I had on the side. I got rid of them. Replaced them with Beefmasters. I like the Beefmasters since the performed similarly to that of my Gert herd however the lack of uniformity eventually led me to phase them out as well. This may be a petty reason to phase out a breed, but no more petty than liking an animal because it is black such as Brangus.

you got too raise what the market wants, no matter how petty it seem's too a person , as long as they keep greasing my palms i'll keep raising em.. not gonna cut my own throat on count of color

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

The data was in the calves that I raised. Granted it was a very small pool. We once had several (approx. 15 at one point) Brangus cows heavily influenced with Brinks breeding. We kept them for about 5 years. Not looking for a fight, just relaying my experiences with the breed. The thread asked what I liked and didn't like. Based on personal experience, I did not like the performance of my Brangus herd I had on the side. I got rid of them. Replaced them with Beefmasters. I like the Beefmasters since the performed similarly to that of my Gert herd however the lack of uniformity eventually led me to phase them out as well. This may be a petty reason to phase out a breed, but no more petty than liking an animal because it is black such as Brangus.

you got too raise what the market wants, no matter how petty it seem's too a person , as long as they keep greasing my palms i'll keep raising em.. not gonna cut my own throat on count of color

Color fads come and go, performance, on the other hand, will never go out of style in my books. I guess one just needs to set their priorities and stick to them.

 

[alacattleman]

The data was in the calves that I raised. Granted it was a very small pool. We once had several (approx. 15 at one point) Brangus cows heavily influenced with Brinks breeding. We kept them for about 5 years. Not looking for a fight, just relaying my experiences with the breed. The thread asked what I liked and didn't like. Based on personal experience, I did not like the performance of my Brangus herd I had on the side. I got rid of them. Replaced them with Beefmasters. I like the Beefmasters since the performed similarly to that of my Gert herd however the lack of uniformity eventually led me to phase them out as well. This may be a petty reason to phase out a breed, but no more petty than liking an animal because it is black such as Brangus.

you got too raise what the market wants, no matter how petty it seem's too a person , as long as they keep greasing my palms i'll keep raising em.. not gonna cut my own throat on count of color

Color fads come and go, performance, on the other hand, will never go out of style in my books. I guess one just needs to set their priorities and stick to them.

you have no idea of my cattles performance. dont even pretend too

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

never claimed to. All I said was the experience I had with the breed was lackluster (despite their pedigrees) and did not compare to the experiences I have had with other American breeds. I also implied that many people choose certain breeds because of color and that this was a petty reason. I said that I have also made decisions based on this petty rationale. I agreed that the Charolais/American breed cross can be very pretty to look at, but I prefer the British breeds when crossing with American breeds. I never attacked your herd. I am sure you raise the best Brangus cattle in all of Alabama. Good for you! Keep up the good work. ;-) But as mentioned before, based on my prior experiences with the breed (maybe it was the Brinks bloodlines from the early 90's, maybe it was the fine bone, maybe it was the pot gutted funnel butt calves, maybe it was the lack of milk, maybe it was the calves having a 250 lb weaning weight spread, or maybe it was the number of times I found them standing in the middle of the pond one of which decided to calve in the pond), I am not interested.

 

[alacattleman]

never claimed to. All I said was the experience I had with the breed was lackluster (despite their pedigrees) and did not compare to the experiences I have had with other American breeds. I also implied that many people choose certain breeds because of color and that this was a petty reason. I said that I have also made decisions based on this petty rationale. I agreed that the Charolais/American breed cross can be very pretty to look at, but I prefer the British breeds when crossing with American breeds. I never attacked your herd. I am sure you raise the best Brangus cattle in all of Alabama. Good for you! Keep up the good work. ;-) But as mentioned before, based on my prior experiences with the breed (maybe it was the Brinks bloodlines from the early 90's, maybe it was the fine bone, maybe it was the pot gutted funnel butt calves, maybe it was the lack of milk, maybe it was the calves having a 250 lb weaning weight spread, or maybe it was the number of times I found them standing in the middle of the pond one of which decided to calve in the pond), I am not interested.

funnel butt thats a hoot,,, they'll sell better then those big red bones with leather hanging on em, plus they breed back in a timely manner, you better hope they got plenty of bone too scrape enough meat too make soup

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

Are you suggesting you know something about my herd performance now? How quickly we go from defense to offense.

Breeding back, in my mind, is a management issue. If you choose to tolerate it then it can affect you bottom line. If you do not wish to mess with it, then read some threads on this board and I am sure you can learn some strategies to handle this issue, regardless of what breed you choose to run.

My cattle are probably heavier bone that yours. My cattle quite possibly could be larger framed than yours as well. My current Santa bull is a frame 7. My Durham Red bull that I am using in a star5 herd is a frame 5. I am working on my frame but refuse to give up the bone. Sorry, I don't know where to begin overcoming fine bone. Maybe you could read up on that as well.

Your black calves may bring more /lb. but that doesn't mean your net dollar is greater. A simple economics class could help you with this.

Come back when you would like to discuss what you have found. 'til then, best wishes.

 

[alacattleman]

Are you suggesting you know something about my herd performance now? How quickly we go from defense to offense.

Breeding back, in my mind, is a management issue. If you choose to tolerate it then it can affect you bottom line. If you do not wish to mess with it, then read some threads on this board and I am sure you can learn some strategies to handle this issue, regardless of what breed you choose to run.

My cattle are probably heavier bone that yours. My cattle quite possibly could be larger framed than yours as well. My current Santa bull is a frame 7. My Durham Red bull that I am using in a star5 herd is a frame 5. I am working on my frame but refuse to give up the bone. Sorry, I don't know where to begin overcoming fine bone. Maybe you could read up on that as well.

Your black calves may bring more /lb. but that doesn't mean your net dollar is greater. that a simple economics class could help you with this.

Come back when you would like to discuss what you have found. 'til then, best wishes.[/quote] what i did find was some picture's of your herd you posted awhile back, ive seen plenty of cattle like your's enough too know a simple economic class wouldnt be neccesary. any one can see a money pit

 

[Santas and Duhram Reds]

That's odd. The pictures are so old I can't seem to access them anymore. How did you? I did find a thread in the process of trying to recover a few to remember what pics I have posted on here. These people didn't seem to think they were a money pit.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=37920

But everyone has a different opinion.

If you could post some of the pictures you saw so I know what you are referring to and then tell me what you feel their faults are, I would appreciate it.

 

[alacattleman]

That's odd. The pictures are so old I can't seem to access them anymore. How did you? I did find a thread in the process of trying to recover a few to remember what pics I have posted on here. These people didn't seem to think they were a money pit.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=37920

But everyone has a different opinion.

If you could post some of the pictures you saw so I know what you are referring to and then tell me what you feel their faults are, I would appreciate it.

i seen em then, thats was enough for me, not gonna insult you anymore, spect you to do the same.. you wanna raise gerts knock yourself out,