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<blockquote data-quote="Ky hills" data-source="post: 1659396" data-attributes="member: 24816"><p>Excellent points. Not many breeders that I know of record frame scores. Years ago after the frame race which went too far, the buzz word was moderate framed. That has went its course too, as moderate on top of moderate for several generations have bred them down too far. The markets here are not kind at all to calves that don't have adequate frame. I've long thought that there was a disconnect between segments of the industry. The trends of heavy reliance on AI breeding to mostly a handful of heavily promoted bulls of the month, have created a plethora of issues for cow/calf producers, one of which is this continued trend of moderation which is more akin to continual frame reduction. Its a lot easier to reduce frame than to add it. I think most breeders place an emphasis on weaning weights and possibly yearling weights too. The trend of moderate framed easy fleshing cattle sounds great especially from the cow/calf producer perspective but then the flip side of marketing those calves is that they appear to be the short fleshy calves that get discounted. I would prefer to run smaller cows, but that doesn't work real well. My goals are to try and strike a balance between growth of calves and functionality of females in the event we retain heifers. I like to use bulls are 6 frame 7 is even better, but very hard to find. I've had to settle on several bulls in the 5-51/2 range and they just don't result in the kind of calves that I need when selling.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ky hills, post: 1659396, member: 24816"] Excellent points. Not many breeders that I know of record frame scores. Years ago after the frame race which went too far, the buzz word was moderate framed. That has went its course too, as moderate on top of moderate for several generations have bred them down too far. The markets here are not kind at all to calves that don't have adequate frame. I've long thought that there was a disconnect between segments of the industry. The trends of heavy reliance on AI breeding to mostly a handful of heavily promoted bulls of the month, have created a plethora of issues for cow/calf producers, one of which is this continued trend of moderation which is more akin to continual frame reduction. Its a lot easier to reduce frame than to add it. I think most breeders place an emphasis on weaning weights and possibly yearling weights too. The trend of moderate framed easy fleshing cattle sounds great especially from the cow/calf producer perspective but then the flip side of marketing those calves is that they appear to be the short fleshy calves that get discounted. I would prefer to run smaller cows, but that doesn't work real well. My goals are to try and strike a balance between growth of calves and functionality of females in the event we retain heifers. I like to use bulls are 6 frame 7 is even better, but very hard to find. I've had to settle on several bulls in the 5-51/2 range and they just don't result in the kind of calves that I need when selling. [/QUOTE]
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