Stirring the pot on the LH/corriente topic

[kenny thomas]

True.
Cattle were cheaper when I bought these cattle, I bought them because of the calves they had on them.
I could have sold the cows and got over a dollar a pound for them, but decided to get another calve out of them.
These cows give a lot of milk and have exceptional utters, if I get another calf out of them and prices hold, they will bring even more.

If you bred them to anything but Charolais let us know how the performance compares.

 

[Warren Allison]

It looks like they were Charolais cross calves. In my opinion that is the most profitable cross going for that type cow. The cow being solid color leads to a solid color calf with a Charolais.

Not around here they won't. Some of the Corrs I have bought have been bred to Char bulls. Just like any Char cross, the calves sell for 30 to 50 cents per pound less than the black polled calves. If the Char x Corr claves were the most profitable, I would have been using Char bulls all these years.

 

[kenny thomas]

Not around here they won't. Some of the Corrs I have bought have been bred to Char bulls. Just like any Char cross, the calves sell for 30 to 50 cents per pound less than the black polled calves. If the Char x Corr claves were the most profitable, I would have been using Char bulls all these years.

Profit could be in pounds per calf as much as price. I almost never see a discount on them up this way. Sales i have attended in TX, OK, AR that have several crosses i didn't notice any discount because what i see is a Charolais cross compared to an Angus cross the Charolais cross will have more muscle and actually sell higher.

 

[tex452]

If you bred them to anything but Charolais let us know how the performance compares.

I had a red angus bull on them.
I had a guy come by that wanted him bad, so I sold him to him.
Less than a month later, the guy I sold him to died.

 

[tex452]

Profit could be in pounds per calf as much as price. I almost never see a discount on them up this way. Sales i have attended in TX, OK, AR that have several crosses i didn't notice any discount because what i see is a Charolais cross compared to an Angus cross the Charolais cross will have more muscle and actually sell higher.

One of the heifers had a skunk tail, I that they were going to dock her, but she brought more than the solid colored heifer and was a little heavier.

 

[kenny thomas]

One of the heifers had a skunk tail, I that they were going to dock her, but she brought more than the solid colored heifer and was a little heavier.

That's another thing i notice, a skunk tail in a Charolais cross is not docked like it is in a black calf with a skunk tail.

 

[kenny thomas]

I had a red angus bull on them.
I had a guy come by that wanted him bad, so I sold him to him.
Less than a month later, the guy I sold him to died.

So the calves should be solid red. Let us know please how it turns out.

 

[gcreekrch]

Not around here they won't. Some of the Corrs I have bought have been bred to Char bulls. Just like any Char cross, the calves sell for 30 to 50 cents per pound less than the black polled calves. If the Char x Corr claves were the most profitable, I would have been using Char bulls all these years.

There are buyers in your area who have sellers convinced they can steal calves with no conscience. If cattle are comparable in everything but colour they should bring the same dollar. Here, anything that shows spots or a peaked azz suggesting your beloved southwestern exotic blood will be half or less per lb what a good calf is worth.

 

[Warren Allison]

There are buyers in your area who have sellers convinced they can steal calves with no conscience. If cattle are comparable in everything but colour they should bring the same dollar. Here, anything that shows spots or a peaked azz suggesting your beloved southwestern exotic blood will be half or less per lb what a good calf is worth.

Nope. Don't care if a Char or whatever is comparable in everything but colour, it will NOT bring the CAB premium a black calf will. No matter how good a calf it is, a black calf of comparable quality will bring more than the off-color ones. And this is true anywhere that there are buyers for US processors. Not saying Charolais cows aren't good beef cows. But take a herd of 100 homo for black and polled Angus cows, Breed 50 to a white Charolais, and 50 to a homozygous for red ( no copy of the dilute gene) Red Char bull. The 50 black calves by the red Char will sell for 30-50 cents a pound more than the smokies by the white bull.

 

[Jeanne - Simme Valley]

Location - location - location. Big difference.

 

[gcreekrch]

Nope. Don't care if a Char or whatever is comparable in everything but colour, it will NOT bring the CAB premium a black calf will. No matter how good a calf it is, a black calf of comparable quality will bring more than the off-color ones. And this is true anywhere that there are buyers for US processors. Not saying Charolais cows aren't good beef cows. But take a herd of 100 homo for black and polled Angus cows, Breed 50 to a white Charolais, and 50 to a homozygous for red ( no copy of the dilute gene) Red Char bull. The 50 black calves by the red Char will sell for 30-50 cents a pound more than the smokies by the white bull.

They would sell together here and be worth whatever their quality dictated.

 

[gcreekrch]

Pieces and parts of load lots we sold last fall.

 

[salebarn junkie]

Not around here they won't. Some of the Corrs I have bought have been bred to Char bulls. Just like any Char cross, the calves sell for 30 to 50 cents per pound less than the black polled calves. If the Char x Corr claves were the m profitable, I would have been using Char bulls all these years.

 

[salebarn junkie]

Just out of curiosity why do you use angus on your corr cows? Wouldent a black simm or any black contin

 

[Travlr]

Nope. Don't care if a Char or whatever is comparable in everything but colour, it will NOT bring the CAB premium a black calf will. No matter how good a calf it is, a black calf of comparable quality will bring more than the off-color ones. And this is true anywhere that there are buyers for US processors. Not saying Charolais cows aren't good beef cows. But take a herd of 100 homo for black and polled Angus cows, Breed 50 to a white Charolais, and 50 to a homozygous for red ( no copy of the dilute gene) Red Char bull. The 50 black calves by the red Char will sell for 30-50 cents a pound more than the smokies by the white bull.

I agree with everything you say... and it should be criminalized that prices should be any different just based on the color of a hide. If I knew of a way to end CAB legally I'd do it in a heartbeat.

 

[Warren Allison]

I agree with everything you say... and it should be criminalized that prices should be any different just based on the color of a hide. If I knew of a way to end CAB legally I'd do it in a heartbeat.

I know you would, but you have to understand. You could waive a magic wand and make it all disappear over night, you would not get one nickel more for your red and white and yellow calves than you did the day before. But your black calves will not bring what they did the day before...they will bring the same thing the other colors are.

 

[Tumbleweed@23]

LOL... Did you notice in his last post how he was going to sell his fifty calves in small lots so they are likely to go to private buyers instead of being bid on by the commercial boys as a single lot?

Starting to hedge his bets with some squirmy dodge and weave.

Am I understanding this right. If I had 20 of calves and he has 30 head of calves, they would be run thru the ring all together?

 

[Travlr]

I know you would, but you have to understand. You could waive a magic wand and make it all disappear over night, you would not get one nickel more for your red and white and yellow calves than you did the day before. But your black calves will not bring what they did the day before...they will bring the same thing the other colors are.

Horse manure... (and you should be familiar with that concept)

The supply of money in a market stays the same regardless of what color calves are being bought. You don't change the money supply, or the overall demand, by ending "premiums" on black hides. Every dollar still exists in the market, and without premiums everyone is getting paid on quality instead of color.

 

[Brute 23]

I was listening to the market reports and one barn said #5-600 steers... X amount to X amount ... with a high of X on a nice set of red angus steers.

 

[Warren Allison]

Just out of curiosity why do you use angus on your corr cows? Wouldent a black simm or any black contin

I have used Brangus and Ultrablack the past few years. And this year we also used a black Simm and a ChiAngus composite. The only reason we used those two, were because we knew them to be homozygous for polled, and homozygous for black. People use more Angus, because there are more of them, readily available. Out of the 3, Angus, Brangus, Black Simm, a registered Angus can be bought for less. But, yes, any homo for black and polled bull, will work just fine.