I have a 16 month old Simmental heifer I raised that I have never seen in heat. I gave her 6 cc of Lutalyse a month ago put a patch on her and she never came in. I gave her another 6 cc Lutalyse 12 days ago put another patch on her and moved her in with a different group and she still hasn`t came in. I`m starting to think she may just be a non breeder but she wasn`t a twin. What would you do next ? Give her another shot , take her to the vet and let him check her or just say forget it and ship her ?She`s a Pays to Believe X Grandmaster out of a very fertile cow family and looks really nice but If she won't breed it really doesn`t matter what her pedigree is. I have never had this happen till now.
Simmental heifer not coming in heat ?
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76 Bar
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She might have been and you didn't know it e.g. dam sloughed the heifer's brother somewhere along the line or abandoned it at birth unbeknownst to you. Stranger things have happened. Ask me how I know. Have your vet palpate her.
Redgully
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Or she is in calf....
76 Bar
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Yes indeed that's a consideration too...all the more reason to make an appointment with the DVM!
Fire Sweep Ranch
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I have had two heifers over the years that did not cycle by 16 months. Vet checked them, they had an immature repro track (same genetic match - flush sisters). We put a CiDR in both, and they both cycled after one attempt. Both bred the next heat. One is a three year old, stuck an embryo for the fall of 19. The other is a bred heifer now.
If you can't put a CIDR in her then it is a good sign she's a freemartin.
However, what I would do is a timed breeding. Put a CIDR in her and if she doesn't show heat A.i. her...so many hours after you pull the CIDR...get advice on how many hours after pulling the CIDR. A good AI guy can tell you if she's pregnant or has a small tract.
However, what I would do is a timed breeding. Put a CIDR in her and if she doesn't show heat A.i. her...so many hours after you pull the CIDR...get advice on how many hours after pulling the CIDR. A good AI guy can tell you if she's pregnant or has a small tract.
Bright Raven
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I would have the vet perform a reproductive examine. The same routine they do when they perform a pelvic examine. The vet will palpate the reproductive system and determine the level of reproductive maturity. If it were me, I would not use Lutalyse or a CIDR until a reproductive maturity determination was completed.
I`ve thought about the fact she could`ve been a twin to start with but that`s a hard one to tell as to what happened inside the mother. I guess I`ll have to bite the bullet and help the vet pay for his new building much as I hate to. I haven`t tried to put a cidr in her since it was just one I was trying to breed.
Bright Raven
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jd720 said:
The vet is your friend. The last thing I would want to be is a Veterinarian. It is a difficult occupation and not that lucrative.
Bright Raven said:
Well at least he doesn`t stick it to the cattle guys as much as they do the old ladies and their pets one lady I talked to spent over $1000 on a stupid cat. In my opinion that's pretty lucrative for the vet.
Bright Raven
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jd720 said:
Good point. The pet vets do well.
Redgully
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Bright Raven said:
Even pet vets struggle. Most of their costs are drugs, insurance wages and rent. They are the cream of medical students and it costs them a fortune to complete their courses. They don't get help from governments, tax breaks or subsidies as human drs do and get abused by many for charging what they do. They are dealing with putting loved family pets down everyday. No wonder they also have the highest rate of suicide out of any profession. I wouldn't have what it takes to do it.
Son of Butch
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Veterinarians are far from having the highest rate of suicide.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention the occupation with the highest rate of suicides are men working in construction at 53 per 100,000 followed by carpenters, electricians, miners, arts and entertainment, media, design illustrators, tattooists, pro sport players, mechanics, cable installers and commercial drivers.
For women suicide rates were highest working in arts, design, entertainment, sports and media at 15 per 100,000. Followed by police officers, private investigators, TSA workers, dental assistants, massage therapists and pharmacy aides.
The group with the lowest rate of suicide are in education: teachers, professors, librarians and historians.
Worldwide suicide is highest in the lowest paid occupations of general labor, construction helpers and sanitation.
According to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention the occupation with the highest rate of suicides are men working in construction at 53 per 100,000 followed by carpenters, electricians, miners, arts and entertainment, media, design illustrators, tattooists, pro sport players, mechanics, cable installers and commercial drivers.
For women suicide rates were highest working in arts, design, entertainment, sports and media at 15 per 100,000. Followed by police officers, private investigators, TSA workers, dental assistants, massage therapists and pharmacy aides.
The group with the lowest rate of suicide are in education: teachers, professors, librarians and historians.
Worldwide suicide is highest in the lowest paid occupations of general labor, construction helpers and sanitation.
Son of Butch
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2017 Bureau of Labor - veterinarian median income $88,770jd720 said:
board certified specialist 161,070
1st year small animal vet 71,462
1st year large animal vet 68,933
1st year mixed practice 62,387
1st year equine vet 38,468
Veterinarians in the Armed Forces - median salary 70,720 annually or $34 hour per 40 hr week.
(cheap as I heard $50 hour is the going rate for standing around in some parts of Georgia)
Redgully
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Yeah compare what they make to people who practise human medicine and the cost to get there. Not forgetting they don't get given tax breaks, at least here in Australia.
https://www.ava.com.au/veterinarians-0/vethealth-4
https://www.ava.com.au/veterinarians-0/vethealth-4
Dsth
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I had the same problem a few years ago. had the vet check her at 16 months and found out she was 7 months bred. Since I AI all my cows and heifers I have no bull on the farm. Then I remembered that the neighbors bull came over for a visit one day. Thought maybe a cow was in heat, but must have been the 9 month old heifer still sucking on mommy.
True Grit Farms
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Dsth said:
I hate to inform you but a 9 month old calf has no business nursing on a cow.
Dsth
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True Grit Farms said:
She was one of the first calves born. unlike your calving window, mine may take a month or longer. If cow has a 3 month dry period, she should be good for the next calf season. But thanks for sharing your opinion.
Redgully
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True Grit Farms said:
Really? I often keep them on that long, cow had a three month break ready to calve again. Can't see anything wrong with that if no bulls or bull calves that age are around. I know 6 months is industry standard and i also often wean then can you explain why 9 months is that bad?
True Grit Farms
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The cow is having to feed her, her calf and fetus. We wean around 240 days, and feed and condition the calves for 45 days before we sell them. I don't know that it matters, it's just the way we do things. Healthy cows have healthy calves.
