JHH
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Any info on the popular simmy ( Fleckveigh) cow killers? I have old semen and would like to look them up. See if I should throw out or what?
Don't just dump it! Someone will want it.Think I will dump it. Guy I got it from said he should of
Was a great bull for the times. Used him a little over 2 years and got some productive females. I bred him to commercial cows that were 1/2 and 3/4 Simmental going back to Shorthorn and Hereford influenceD cows which is what I had to start.Found 1 last night. Name polled master
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You have old ABS sires. 264 is 2j polled Siegfried. Pretty sure my Dad used him a bit. He is a traditional purebred bull with a little Fleckvieh influence. Throws some bw but they were meat wagons too small for the times if I remember right. Found him in an old 1991 ABS catalog. I'm in Canada so suspect other bulls 287 and Force where only available in USA so can't help you with them. Doubt it's worth anything as he was scurred as well.Another one in tank named the force?. Can't see registered number cane code 2SM54
Another cane code SM0287
AND another SM0264.
I agree in that it was combination of matching the two very different types of cattle. In those times most all of the cows around were small Angus and Hereford cows. People saw the growth potential and I doubt that there was muchSimmental's were "cow killers" - but in all reality, it was partly because people wanted to "try" the new breed, so they picked a dink cow (800# - 1000# - normal cow weights) and bred to a 2300# bull. Yup - you killed her. I sure am not defending the reputation of hard calving back then - but - people were not too smart in their decisions for matching those huge bulls to their cows. We started out using Galant on everything we had. No calving issues at all. Good thing, we didn't have a clue how to help one if she had trouble. Later we used Achilles and Signal.
We used some Hereford semen that's thirty two years old, we call the calves baby dinos.What's the limit that some old semen straws can be viable?
Is it Fleck or 80s simmental? Not the same.thing.Any info on the popular simmy ( Fleckveigh) cow killers? I have old semen and would like to look them up. See if I should throw out or what?
Exactly... it comes down to making appropriate choices.
First Simmental influence we introduced into our herd(in south AL) was a halfblood Simbrah bull we bought in 1983 to go over mixed AngusXHereford cross cattle... calving ease was as good as any Angus bull we'd had, but the calves were head and shoulders above any Angus-sired calves we'd ever raised. Used him for several years... only calf we ever had to assist was an 'oops', out of a little yearling heifer. Lent him to a friend for a year or two for use as a heifer bull over his Limousin heifers before he went on to the salebarn.
Started using Simmental AI sires on our own herd in 1987, but I always considered the CED epd first and foremost... even on cows. We were in a busy mixed-animal veterinary practice, and couldn't count on being home to help our own cows if they had difficulty calving... was spending all day and night driving over the hills of southern middle TN pulling calves out of other folks' cows. Regardless, we never needed to pull one of our own.
Since my original herd was composed mainly of Holstein heifers we'd raised, I went with Fleckvieh bulls early on, to reduce frame size and increase muscling.
Later on, we continued to use Simmental sires, and had no more issues with them than with Angus or Shorthorn sires... but we always picked bulls with reasonable CED/BW epds... we didn't necessarily go for low BW/high CED for adult cows, but no sense in chasing trouble with known or potential hard-calvers.
My uncle and grandpa used as couple fleck bulbs in the mid to late 80 and rarely had to pull a calf l. However they had a commercial herd that was mainly black hided but had a lot of the old school chi blood from a chi bull they used in the early eighties. Those chixangusxherefordxsim cows produced excellent feeder calves and good replacement heifers too.Exactly... it comes down to making appropriate choices.
First Simmental influence we introduced into our herd(in south AL) was a halfblood Simbrah bull we bought in 1983 to go over mixed AngusXHereford cross cattle... calving ease was as good as any Angus bull we'd had, but the calves were head and shoulders above any Angus-sired calves we'd ever raised. Used him for several years... only calf we ever had to assist was an 'oops', out of a little yearling heifer. Lent him to a friend for a year or two for use as a heifer bull over his Limousin heifers before he went on to the salebarn.
Started using Simmental AI sires on our own herd in 1987, but I always considered the CED epd first and foremost... even on cows. We were in a busy mixed-animal veterinary practice, and couldn't count on being home to help our own cows if they had difficulty calving... was spending all day and night driving over the hills of southern middle TN pulling calves out of other folks' cows. Regardless, we never needed to pull one of our own.
Since my original herd was composed mainly of Holstein heifers we'd raised, I went with Fleckvieh bulls early on, to reduce frame size and increase muscling.
Later on, we continued to use Simmental sires, and had no more issues with them than with Angus or Shorthorn sires... but we always picked bulls with reasonable CED/BW epds... we didn't necessarily go for low BW/high CED for adult cows, but no sense in chasing trouble with known or potential hard-calvers.