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Son of Butch

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Assuming 1,000 lb cow with carrying cost of $395 yr to produce $600 calf
and 1,500 lb cow with carrying cost of $500 yr to produce $800 calf

1,000 x 72 cows = 72,000 lbs per pasture
1,500 x 48 cows = 72,000 lbs per pasture

72 x 600 = $43,200 calf sales
72 x 395 = $28,440 carrying cost
43,200 - 28,440 = $14,760 income

48 x 800 = 38,400 calf sales
48 x 500 = 24,000 carrying cost
38,400 - 24,000 = $14,400

14,760 - 14,400 = 360 divided by 72 = 5

$5 advantage for 1,000 lb cow x 72 cows = $360 per year
Almost doesn't seem worth arguing about or does it?

It really depends on your cost to carry a cow and calf prices, but under 100 cows it doesn't seem to add up to much
 

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Son of Butch":x8rgn9ud said:
It really depends on your cost to carry a cow and calf prices, but under 100 cows it doesn't seem to add up to much

I think we started with whether the $/head difference pays to back ground calves.
Then we switched to $/acre.
Then we assumed the back grounded calves stayed on pasture.
Then we assume the cows were different sizes.
I am so confused :help:
 

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WHAT IS SO CONFUSING? THE ORIGINAL POSTERS WERE COMMENTING ON WHATS THE POINT OF SELLING BIGGER CALVES FOR WHAT SEEMS LIKE VERY LITTLE RETURN (I.E.$50). THE CONVERSATION TURNED TO OTHER WAYS TO TRY AND CAPTURE MORE VALUE FROM THIER EFFORTS. I AM SURE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL POSTERS WOULD LOVE TO HEAR YOUR VEIW POINTS SO PLEASE POST HOW YOU ARE DOING IT
 

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ALTERNITIVLY WOULD IT MAKE SENSE TO TAKE SOME OF THE GROUND OUT OF PASTURE AND AND USE IT FOR HAY OR RENT IT OUT?
 

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Hay is simple, but you are removing minerals and production is not sustainable.

Highest grazing return and highest risk is usually with lighter younger animals (that allow you to run more head on the same acreage). But, cattle can be complicated and you need some marketing skills to really make much $$$.

With marginal row crop ground - - going (back) to a long grain/forage rotation seems like the best way to build fertility and still make a profit. Most producers have specialized in one or two crops and that is not working well right now.
 

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