Retaining Heifers in a Hot Market

The weather is the big plus. That's why everyone in the country is moving down here, instead of vice versa.

It's funny in the last 4-5 years I've bought 3 farms and all of them I've had to compete against people from Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Georgia. They come for a summer visit and love the area and then see that they can sell their 5 acre parcel with a mobile home and buy 100 acres with a house for the same money here.
 
Yep. I can work all day at 10° but at 85° I'm in the house or AC by 11am.

At 5k an acre even being able to graze year round im not sure how that really pencils out.

At $750 an acre I can make "comfortable" financial choices. I don't need to be stocked to the max, I can let pastures sit empty, I can buy equipment, I can use the proceeds to buy more land without breaking the bank, etc.
Lord, even down here in the poor part of Georgia, we haven't seen land at that price since the turn of the century. And I am talking about land that wouldn't grow a weed and had no water. It looks like not only is your land cheap, but is pretty fertile, too?
 
It's funny in the last 4-5 years I've bought 3 farms and all of them I've had to compete against people from Texas, Tennessee, Oklahoma and Georgia. They come for a summer visit and love the area and then see that they can sell their 5 acre parcel with a mobile home and buy 100 acres with a house for the same money here.
I have known a couple of folks that did that. Most of them came back after a winter or two. But unfortunately the hundreds of thousands of Yankees that move down here every year, don't do that! They stay! :)
 
Huh? So you shoot for greater than 100% breed back?

Or are you saying I should keep more because I'm at 100% so I'm shipping perfectly fertile heifers?
Theres not a chance you get 100 per cent breeding from 14 month old heifers on a single cycle breeding period under range conditions.
You will claim it. But anyone who has ever raised cattle will know exactly what your shovelling
 
You'd live longer and better down here, than I would up there! If I get too hot, I can jump in the creek or lake or pool for a minute and cool off. But when I am freezing to death, can't jump in the water and warm up! Especially if you'd have to chop 2' of ice first! And I freeze to death when it gets in the 50's! Put it this way, we are getting invaded by Yankees moving south more and more each year. But ain't no one down here leaving to move up north! :)
After chopping all that ice you would be all warm a toasty.
 
Theres not a chance you get 100 per cent breeding from 14 month old heifers on a single cycle breeding period under range conditions.
You will claim it. But anyone who has ever raised cattle will know exactly what your shovelling

I never said I kept 100% of my heifers. I said I have 100% bred on the ones I kept the last 3 seasons.

And honestly it's the internet I don't give a rip if anyone believes me. What matters to me is what is actually happening on the farm here "in real life" so to say and paying my living.
 
I never said I kept 100% of my heifers. I said I have 100% bred on the ones I kept the last 3 seasons.

And honestly it's the internet I don't give a rip if anyone believes me. What matters to me is what is actually happening on the farm here "in real life" so to say and paying my living.

It's the internet so take it for what it's worth:

* I had 100% breed up on my 15 month old heifers this year (AI first cycle) -- I guess ChevyTaHOE and I are shoveling the same thing ;-)
* My dad raised cattle for 60 years and always retained his own heifers. It's a miracle he stayed solvent. Nice cattle though.
* I retain enough heifers to replace the cull cows in my herd. Same system as my dad.
* My purchased cows/heifers have been very hit or miss. Plus one of them brought in disease which was expensive and I'm not seeing that as a risk expense in this thread.
* It is accurate that cattlemen up north are tougher than in the south :)
 
But one of the main things that makes a relatively small operation (say <200 head) possible for a guy to earn a living is the less than $1000 an acre land.

If I moved down there and had to pay $20k an acre for land I could never survive and earn a living.

And honestly I don't like people so I don't want to move closer to large populations.
Snakes and bugs there one needs a high powered rifle to kill. I'll stay with the bears and wolves I know.
 
It's the internet so take it for what it's worth:

* I had 100% breed up on my 15 month old heifers this year (AI first cycle) -- I guess ChevyTaHOE and I are shoveling the same thing ;-)
* My dad raised cattle for 60 years and always retained his own heifers. It's a miracle he stayed solvent. Nice cattle though.
* I retain enough heifers to replace the cull cows in my herd. Same system as my dad.
* My purchased cows/heifers have been very hit or miss. Plus one of them brought in disease which was expensive and I'm not seeing that as a risk expense in this thread.
* It is accurate that cattlemen up north are tougher than in the south :)
They are definitely tougher, up north. 😄
 
Snakes and bugs there one needs a high powered rifle to kill. I'll stay with the bears and wolves I know.

Cruised timber UP here with a fella from Mississippi once upon a time. He started talking about the water moccasin snakes coming across the water and getting in the boat with you.

That was all I needed to hear to never want to venture south. Lol
 
If I moved down there and had to pay $20k an acre for land I could never survive and earn a living.

And honestly I don't like people so I don't want to move closer to large populations.
And there it is in a nutshell. The more people there are, the more land costs. And do you think any developer is smart enough to build houses on the hills instead of on the very best. productive, green land? Hell no! They'll cover up the best first... and then start building on the hills and ask a premium because they are "view" lots.
And it's only going to get worse. When my parents were born there were only a billion and a half people on the planet and it was only a slight increase from two hundred years before that. Now it's 2024 and if we aren't at eight billion it's so close that we can smell it.
You want to know why prices are up... it's the law of supply and demand. And they aren't making any more farm land.
 
The only people that can spend 20K an acre to run cattle don't need the income from their cows. They are hobby farms at that point, regardless of size. Maybe they have something going on the side like hunting rights for sale to drain money from those with more money than sense, but at 20K they aren't paying for their ground with agriculture.
This isn't alway the case. We have several big ranches running 2,000 plus hd here and buying up land. Some have other jobs some don't. They all try very hard to make the cows profitable though. Everyone of them could sellout and live on a beach somewhere. I think so called rich people look at whatever they buy which in this case would be land as an asset and then they try to make money with that asset. Just because someone doesn't necessarily need the money from their job doesn't make the endeavor a hobby.
 
* I had 100% breed up on my 15 month old heifers this year (AI first cycle)...

Early on we did some AI breeding to improve some things. 2 years in a row we had 100% in 1 round on around 30 animals. The guy doing the AI was shocked as he had been doing it 20+ years back then and hadn't achieved 100%.

Only guys who don't believe 100% success are those who have yet to achieve it. Lol
 
This isn't alway the case. We have several big ranches running 2,000 plus hd here and buying up land. Some have other jobs some don't. They all try very hard to make the cows profitable though. Everyone of them could sellout and live on a beach somewhere. I think so called rich people look at whatever they buy which in this case would be land as an asset and then they try to make money with that asset. Just because someone doesn't necessarily need the money from their job doesn't make the endeavor a hobby.
They didn't start out with the differential between the price of a cow and the price of acreage being as wide as it is today with land at 20K. And land as an investment is great, but that also means they are not as likely to be paying for the land with what they make on their cattle. And I never said "someone doesn't necessarily need the money from their job"... if fact I was saying the opposite. They are paying for it with a big paycheck and/or investment money to have a toy to show off and use for tax breaks.
In fact a lot of great ranches are ruined by big money coming in and putting super expensive buildings and infrastructure up, and the big money gets tired of it all and wants to sell, and they let it rot for years because they want their money back and the land isn't worth what the buildings are worth.
 
Early on we did some AI breeding to improve some things. 2 years in a row we had 100% in 1 round on around 30 animals. The guy doing the AI was shocked as he had been doing it 20+ years back then and hadn't achieved 100%.

Only guys who don't believe 100% success are those who have yet to achieve it. Lol
I've had groups of twenty breed first time AI. I've also had cows breed first time, every time for years. That's why I bought old, productive cows to raise replacement heifers from.
 
Cruised timber UP here with a fella from Mississippi once upon a time. He started talking about the water moccasin snakes coming across the water and getting in the boat with you.

That was all I needed to hear to never want to venture south. Lol
That's another reason I live where the air freezes your face.
 
I was falling timber for a helicopter logging outfit in north central Washington. When we finished the job in November it was dipping below zero and had a solid foot of powdery snow. We had an option to go to Darby Montana or to some swamp in Georgia. I went to Montana. Darby wasn't a lot of fun in the winter. But that next spring I ran into the guys who went to Georgia. They told me I made the right decision.
 
The weather is the big plus. That's why everyone in the country is moving down here, instead of vice versa. I could deal with the weather where you are, a lot better than I could in North Dakota, Minnesota, Michigan, or Canada. And I'd love the low population, and getting to graze government land. The biggest negative I can see, is the water. But, I guess y'all have figured out a way to deal with that. I am within an hour of 3 sale barns here, in different directions. I guess you are further away than that, but less than Chevy's 7 hours?
Go to the Bitterroot Valley in Montana and then explain to me how nobody is moving north. Or Bozeman or Boise or Spokane.

Grazing on government land might sound great to the outside but it is no bed of roses. Studies show that it is just as expensive to the rancher as private leases. Miles and miles of fence to maintain. Hauling out salt is going to take a day. And you get to do that on roads which will scare the weak hearted. My wife talks about spending an entire day horse back and coming in and saying I can't tell you where the cows are but I can tell where are not at.
 

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