Real Breeders

[Ned Jr.]

What constitutes the difference between a breeder and a multiplier in everyone elses mind?

Regarding Pedretti and Jamison, a question for Ned and any others who have actually seen their herds and are familiar with their breeding philosophies, what makes these people "breeders" rather than "multipliers" who have jumped on the Cooper/Holden Line 1 bandwagon? What differences, if any, do they have in their breeding philosophies than that of Cooper and/or Holden? Does Cooper and Holden have any differences - from each other or from the original Miles City Line 1 philosophy?

George

George, To say Pedretti and Jamison are "multipliers" and not breeders just because they all use Line 1 genetics would be like saying George Strait isn't a real country music singer just because he sang a few Hank Williams songs. These great breeders have hits of their own.

While I know they share many of the same breeding phylosophys they still have many differences. I would say Pedretti's herd is full of power cows. Their cattle probably have more bone than any other Line 1 breeder and probably more milk. They've kept records to try and select for cows that come to their milk later on when the calf needs more instead of all at first when the calf can't handle it all. They try to select for cows that raise big calves and have tight little udders high in butter fat. Gino is a perfectionist at everything he does, from his Hereford cattle to his cotton and alfalfa crops, to his dairy, to the love he has for his wife and family. He's a great man that is very approachable and easy to talk to.

Jamison's breed cattle to fit their environment and not just any Line 1 cattle will. Their cattle may be the most sound and structurally correct. And they have to be because they and a lot of their customers run in areas cattle have to travel long distances for food and water. I think Gordon is a genetic genius that was probably born 100 years to late.

These are just a few of the differences I've seen between these two Line 1 breeders and the others. They definitely have their own type of cattle they breed for.

 

[Herefords.US]

I knew you'd provide a good informative answer to that question, Ned! And thanks to capt for his input as well.

For the record, I asked the question with the goal of stimulating discussion and not because I, personally, don't consider any of those I listed as "real" breeders. Some other Line 1 breeders that I would put in the "real breeder" category would be Debters, Bakers, and Harrells. And I'm sure I've overlooked others in that short list.

Regarding Pedretti, I think Pedretti's 250 bull (GB L1 Domino 250), even though he was born back in 1992, is a bull that could still really improve a LOT of today's Hereford cattle.

I will admit to being disappointed in the most recent Jamison advertisement for their sale - because every reference sire pictured was either a Cooper or Holden bred bull and none were home raised. To me, one important criteria of a "breeder" is someone that's willing to "eat some of their own cooking" and use home raised bulls in their own herd. But I know that Jamison has done so in the past.

http://www.agmailusa.com/jamison0209/sires.htm

Edited to add: By the way, I've got some "crazy" friends down here that think George Strait isn't a "REAL" country music singer! But they are all stuck on that "Texas" music! :lol:

George

 

[Ned Jr.]

I knew you'd provide a good informative answer to that question, Ned! And thanks to capt for his input as well.

For the record, I asked the question with the goal of stimulating discussion and not because I, personally, don't consider any of those I listed as "real" breeders. Some other Line 1 breeders that I would put in the "real breeder" category would be Debters, Bakers, and Harrells. And I'm sure I've overlooked others in that short list.

I've been to the sales and seen the herds of all three above mentioned breeders. They all have their own distinctive type and different things they specialise in. All three are definitely "real breeders" in my eye too.


Regarding Pedretti, I think Pedretti's 250 bull (GB L1 Domino 250), even though he was born back in 1992, is a bull that could still really improve a LOT of today's Hereford cattle.

I agree, I think the 250 bull left some awfully good daughters behind. Pedretti's have a couple bulls they're using now that I sure like. Here's their links.
http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... D&9=5C5D5E

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... 0&9=5C5C59


I will admit to being disappointed in the most recent Jamison advertisement for their sale - because every reference sire pictured was either a Cooper or Holden bred bull and none were home raised. To me, one important criteria of a "breeder" is someone that's willing to "eat some of their own cooking" and use home raised bulls in their own herd. But I know that Jamison has done so in the past.

http://www.agmailusa.com/jamison0209/sires.htm

Here's one of the bulls they're using now from their own breeding I really like.

http://www.herfnet.com/online/cgi-bin/i ... F&9=5C5B50


Edited to add: By the way, I've got some "crazy" friends down here that think George Strait isn't a "REAL" country music singer! But they are all stuck on that "Texas" music! :lol:

I listen to that Texan music a lot myself. Good stuff. But George Strait is still a great country music singer. ;-)

George

 

[watson brangus]

As far as Brangus go, which is going to become more and more popular due to the fact that we have an association now with a buisness like mind set.
I would say that Cow Creek, now that Camp Cooley is a gone pecan, would be the "real" breeder in our breed, along with Vern Suhn, Salacoa Valley also has a great herd, but has been hurt due to management flip flopping. All are great programs, but many smaller breeders do just as much for the breed than the big guys. At our farm we usually stick to programs like Salacoa and Cooley, that concentrate on cow dominance versus programs like Cow Creek that concentrate on line breeding a select number of bulls. Each breeder big or small in my opinion gives a breed something(for the most part) that possibly someone else can't do in the breed. Big farms can concentrate on international marketing, whereas smaller breeders are usually better at marketing local areas.

 

[lcc]

George thank-you for helping with the spelling. Capt asked what constitutes the difference between abreeder and a multiplier. To me it would be the ones that stood the test of time. Any cattleman that thier famly has sold reg. cattle of the same breed over 50 years are breeders. The rest of are just trailing behind . The multipliers are the mix breed sales and jonny come lately.

 

[Australian]

Breeders come and go. The most numerical breed in Australia would be Angus Brahman, Hereford (Polled and Horned combined) and Santa Gertrudis.
Angus and Brahman have been the two main breeds that have continued to grow. Two smaller breeds on the rise are Lowline and Dexter. The South Devons with which I'm involved has declined in members since I started 20 year ago. There were 180 full members in the SD Society (now there would barely be 50) The SD Association (which I'm a member of ) is continuing to grow because of low cost membership and no female inventory.

 

[houstoncutter]

Limousin .............the Wulfs in Minn.

 

[gertfan]

King Ranch Santa Gertrudis