somn":1ay94qnb said:
aplusmnt":1ay94qnb said:
BUT you would loose say $500.00 from the heifer you could have sold to buy that bred, and you loose one extra calf that the bought Bred would have had that the retained one would have not had, that is another $500.00.
It appears by reading this you think that by retaining the heifer you lose $500 by not selling her and another $500 by not being able to sell the calf from the bred heifer you could have bought using the income generated by selling the retained heifer. You must be one heck of a cattle man when you can sell any age calf for a $500 profit. I guess it is possible to make $500 per calf by never paying any feed costs or cow upkeep costs.
Sorry I will have to give you a quick lesson in Reading Comprehension, late for appointment.
The Starting point we are talking about is after a heifer has been raised. You have the choice you can keep her or sell her and use the money to buy an already bred heifer. The profit she generates up to that point is irrelevant in this comparison. She represents an X amount of dollars to be used to either buy herself back into your operation or buy another heifer that is already bred. If you retain her she has virtually equal up keep to the heifer you would have bought. So expenses are not a factor in figuring the cost of the heifers.
We are looking at variations in purchase cost not at how efficient an operation you run. It is simple you have a heifer on your place worth X amount of dollars on Nov 1 do you keep her and pass on the X amount of money or do you sell her for X amount of dollars and use that to purchase a different heifer.
Plus if you would read the whole example I posted you will see I did factor in the cost to raise the retained heifer I will highlight that in bold for you so you can find it below.
aplusmnt":1ay94qnb said:
My figures two months ago on a previous thread:
Been crunching the numbers on this a bunch lately here is what I have came up with. Using the Average cost of $1.00 per day up keep per head.
$365.00 Cow cost from Wean of previous calf to wean of
retained heifer 12 months
$270.00 Heifer cost post weaning in open Stage 270 days
$180.00 Heifer up keep while bred 180 days to the point that
I would be buying a bred heifer 3 months prior to
Calving.
$815.00 Total
This is the cost to raise a heifer to the point that I would be buying a bred heifer. Usually buying bred heifers when 6 months bred. This would bring me up to the equal point of buying that already bred one. Then there would be another $90.00 cost to take her that last 90 days to calving but that cost would also be there if I bought a bred.
Price might be a little higher due to more feed, pelvic exam and few other cost over and above say the $1.00 per day average cost.
If you bought a bred heifer at say $1,200.00 you would save around $385.00 buy retaining one
BUT you would loose say $500.00 from the heifer you could have sold to buy that bred, and you loose one extra calf that the bought Bred would have had that the retained one would have not had, that is another $500.00.
So to me a retained heifer cost me $615.00 more than buying a bred heifer at $1,200.00
Would cost even more if I could find a good bred for say $1,000.00 because the cost of retaining one does not change. So if I found $1,000.00 bred heifers my cost of retaining one verses buying bred makes me an $815.00 looser. ok reading over this i see where somn is coming from.if you retain a heifer that has a sale value of $650 an it cost 250 to maintain cow.then the cow doesnt pay her way since you retained her heifer.putting you $250 in the hole for a yr.now if you add that $250 to the heifer thats $900 at weaning.so add $600 for heifers upkeep till calving.an her value is $1500 a hd.so your deeper in the hole still esp if you add what it cost to keep her mom for the yr.
But then to buy one I have to float the extra cash to put with the sale price of the could be retained heifer. I might not have that cash to put with it so retaining might be the best way to grow the herd.