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Never paid attention really to how much rain was going on until I had cattle. No rain meant brown grass and no mowing. Started the year off really good at my place and now it's drier than all get out. Was hoping to keep the cows off half the place until December but it's a dust bowl right now. Do you fellers that have been doing this a long time let the weather get to you? Or just plan for it?
 

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Weather is biggie. Either too much rain or not enough. All you can do is plan for the worst and graze accordingly. It's funny this comes up because this is the wifes first year to really help out. It's dry and she's freaking out about short grass and low pools.
 
Never paid attention really to how much rain was going on until I had cattle. No rain meant brown grass and no mowing. Started the year off really good at my place and now it's drier than all get out. Was hoping to keep the cows off half the place until December but it's a dust bowl right now. Do you fellers that have been doing this a long time let the weather get to you? Or just plan for it?
Same here, I had to move cows a month ago, was hoping for it to last with a handful of bales until weaning time in November. I'm going to wean early, before I take the cows to corn stalk fields. Just a single strand hot around them, no place for calves. The old cows are no problem there.
 
Garth Brooks sang about "If your paycheck depends on the weather and the clock". I have no doubt that the weather gets to ALL agriculture producers at some point in time. I myself cannot do it and have a lot of respect for those that do. The best thing that a producer can do is have contingency plans in place PRIOR to weather events and then act accordingly when trigger or cutoff thresholds are reached. It's very hard to do, but triggers and thresholds probably should not be determined by cattle prices when they are reached, for the sake of the resources. There are several "contingency" plans that can be put in place. @BFE mentioned WEAN EARLY as one option. #2, and should ALWAYS be done (ok, opinion, but supported by calculations), get rid (cull) the open cows/no/lost calf. #3, cull older (maybe?) and inferior cows (downsize herd). #4, create a sacrifice lot. (STOP grazing when you grass gets to 3 inches tall ideally (go to 2 or 1.5 in winter). Don't graze into the dirt. Recovery or/and replanting takes a long time when rains come if you do this, and you want a quick recovery. This is why you designate a sacrifice area and feed all hay here. Better to totally annihilate a small area than marginally destroy the entire pasture and have to replant the whole Kitti Kaboodle. Keep your farm in a condition such that it can take full advantage of recovery as quickly as possible when it does come, and it WILL come, but be ready!

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Garth Brooks sang about "If your paycheck depends on the weather and the clock". I have no doubt that the weather gets to ALL agriculture producers at some point in time. I myself cannot do it and have a lot of respect for those that do. The best thing that a producer can do is have contingency plans in place PRIOR to weather events and then act accordingly when trigger or cutoff thresholds are reached. It's very hard to do, but triggers and thresholds probably should not be determined by cattle prices when they are reached, for the sake of the resources. There are several "contingency" plans that can be put in place. @BFE mentioned WEAN EARLY as one option. #2, and should ALWAYS be done (ok, opinion, but supported by calculations), get rid (cull) the open cows/no/lost calf. #3, cull older (maybe?) and inferior cows (downsize herd). #4, create a sacrifice lot. (STOP grazing when you grass gets to 3 inches tall ideally (go to 2 or 1.5 in winter). Don't graze into the dirt. Recovery or/and replanting takes a long time when rains come if you do this, and you want a quick recovery. This is why you designate a sacrifice area and feed all hay here. Better to totally annihilate a small area than marginally destroy the entire pasture and have to replant the whole Kitti Kaboodle. Keep your farm in a condition such that it can take full advantage of recovery as quickly as possible when it does come, and it WILL come, but be ready!

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Sounds good in theory but this cycle of drought year after year is getting tough to maneuver through. Stopped cutting around 40 acres of pasture/ hay ground to save for grazing. So now I'm down on my hay numbers . Culling is definitely an effective tool and we can definitely let some older cows go but losing some of the best cows on the farm . Keeping less heifers this year . Sold some younger calves but that's one of the last options for us . Got some rain today and more in the forecast with the hurricane approaching. Problem is we are less than30 days from our first frost on average. Grass just isn't going to have the time to do much growing. Sorry for rambling but just expressing my thoughts. Keeps me awake at night !
 
We just got the first rain since before 4th of July! Been feeding bales for weeks now. Just waiting for it to grow.... may start another rotation on Saturday if all works out.
 
Dave we just have much fewer acres than you have. If we ran 1 pair per 100 acres like you do then most guys would only own 1-5 cows.
True I do have more acres. But we run more than 1 per 100. More like 1 per 30. But it you run cows based the maximum number you can run on years when everything is right there will be years when it doesn't work.
 
I ran cattle at near capacity in the 1970s through the middle 1980s, trying to pay for the place and make a living. Took a town job then and until the 20teens was very much understocked with cattle. Found advantages and disadvantages with both situations. I am now lightly understocked since it means much less pressure during dry times and less work overall. Profit per cow is definitely higher when you are a little understocked.
I am surrounded by neighbors who are younger and are grazing their farms into the ground after two years of below normal rainfall. I am thankful I have the option of just sort of coasting along.
All the money now is in selling off tracts of land to people wanting a home in the country. Maybe if I keep it looking nice, my wife or kids can do that some day.
 
True I do have more acres. But we run more than 1 per 100. More like 1 per 30. But it you run cows based the maximum number you can run on years when everything is right there will be years when it doesn't work.

If I always planned for a drought like last years (14" of rain in a 38" rainfall area) then 99/100 years I would be severely understocked and leaving a lot on the table.

I'm not advocating stocking to 100% capacity of a best case scenario, but a guy has to look at the average year and work based on that.
 
I ran cattle at near capacity in the 1970s through the middle 1980s, trying to pay for the place and make a living. Took a town job then and until the 20teens was very much understocked with cattle. Found advantages and disadvantages with both situations. I am now lightly understocked since it means much less pressure during dry times and less work overall. Profit per cow is definitely higher when you are a little understocked.
I am surrounded by neighbors who are younger and are grazing their farms into the ground after two years of below normal rainfall. I am thankful I have the option of just sort of coasting along.
All the money now is in selling off tracts of land to people wanting a home in the country. Maybe if I keep it looking nice, my wife or kids can do that some day.
The problem with people wanting a home in the country is that "They want their cake and eat it too". They want their 'county space/lifestyle (depends on who and where you are as to what qualifies as this) and then they also want the convivences of "town" or the city out their back porch. They also don't want the 'inconveniences' of the county such as the combine or planter traveling down the road at 15-20 mph and the aroma from the beef, dairy, hog, fertilizer, poultry operation that is the neighbor but is a half mile away either.

The grass isn't necessarily 'Greener on the other side of the fence', but trying to put everyone there may kill the grass.
 
If I always planned for a drought like last years (14" of rain in a 38" rainfall area) then 99/100 years I would be severely understocked and leaving a lot on the table.

I'm not advocating stocking to 100% capacity of a best case scenario, but a guy has to look at the average year and work based on that.
You brought up the term "average". It isn't necessarily wrong, but planning for a "normal" year is the approach I would take. Normal and average aren't quite the same thing in many areas. In Michigan, they probably are the same. In Eastern Oregon, no they are not. For example, in Oregon they may get 9 inches of rain one year, 12 the next, 10 the third, potentially 23 the 4th, and then down to 11 the 5th. Find the average. Note that the average will have you overstocked in most years. If you are in Oregon, you probably understand this. For those living in in more moderated rainfall regions, this thought process takes some getting used to.

Your thought process is on target, but be sure you have the correct target.
 
Garth Brooks sang about "If your paycheck depends on the weather and the clock". I have no doubt that the weather gets to ALL agriculture producers at some point in time. I myself cannot do it and have a lot of respect for those that do. The best thing that a producer can do is have contingency plans in place PRIOR to weather events and then act accordingly when trigger or cutoff thresholds are reached. It's very hard to do, but triggers and thresholds probably should not be determined by cattle prices when they are reached, for the sake of the resources. There are several "contingency" plans that can be put in place. @BFE mentioned WEAN EARLY as one option. #2, and should ALWAYS be done (ok, opinion, but supported by calculations), get rid (cull) the open cows/no/lost calf. #3, cull older (maybe?) and inferior cows (downsize herd). #4, create a sacrifice lot. (STOP grazing when you grass gets to 3 inches tall ideally (go to 2 or 1.5 in winter). Don't graze into the dirt. Recovery or/and replanting takes a long time when rains come if you do this, and you want a quick recovery. This is why you designate a sacrifice area and feed all hay here. Better to totally annihilate a small area than marginally destroy the entire pasture and have to replant the whole Kitti Kaboodle. Keep your farm in a condition such that it can take full advantage of recovery as quickly as possible when it does come, and it WILL come, but be ready!

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Got myself in a pickle for taxes so trying to hold off on selling. Have some I would like to cull. So many different ways of doing things as well. Hay and feed are cheaper this year around here. Haven't bought any but could probably purchase feed cheaper than more acreage. Never tried a sacrifice lot. Have done bale grazing and weeds come up around every spot a bale was placed and not because the hay was weedy but because the seed bank was exposed. It's a personal opinion but don't like the idea of a sacrifice lot and having cows in the mud all winter. Small enough herd still they won't destroy the farm.
 
I still want to know what this "rain" people on here talk about. We only get about 10 inches a year. People here gripe that they only got an inch. That much rain and we have a party. Just allow more acres per cow and put up plenty of hay.
We have had 6" this week and its only Thursday. And none of that is from the hurricane.
 

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