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June 9, 2005 BSE Roundtable

Opening Remarks

Bill Bullard



Mr. Secretary and distinguished roundtable members, I'm Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America. I'm here today representing over 18,000 independent U.S. cattle producers who understand the long term viablility of our industry is dependent completely upon our ability and commitment to ensure the health and safety of our cattle herds and our consumers.



If we ignore the warning signs surrounding BSE, as countries like Germany did, Japan did, and Canada did – and as R-CALF believes USDA has done of late -- we risk the same consequences these and other countries have experienced. Such a fate is unnecessary and avoidable. Canada must be required to address its BSE problem more completely before the U.S. border with Canada can be reopened.



Respected U.S. scientists Dr. Linda Detwiler, Dr. Paul Brown, and Dr. Bob Rohwer who have all worked in the field of transmissible spongiform encephalopathies for decades, wrote the following comment in an August 13, 2004 memorandum to the FDA regarding our present BSE challenge:



"We in North America could do this experiment all over again, waiting for each new warning before adding more stringency to our control measures, or we can benefit from the British experience and take decisive measures now to arrest any further development of the underlying epidemic that is implicit in the two BSE cases discovered to date."



These scientists wrote this before Canada identified two more cases in January 2005.



Within the context of USDA's proposal to resume trade with countries with BSE, particularly Canada, R-CALF USA offers three basic tenets:



We believe the goals of international trade are enhanced when trade is subject to strict safety standards;
Comprehensive research and applied science have demonstrated the essential combination of interlocking safety standards that have proven most effective in reducing the risks associated with BSE; and
The USDA Final Rule ignores and dismisses these essential scientific safety standards, effectively relegating both the U.S. cattle industry and U.S. consumers to defend itself from a 21st Century threat using 20th Century technology.


We know BSE exists in Canada. We also know this disease is pernicious, long-term, and difficult to control. This is not a kind of disease our industry is used to dealing with.



The ongoing experiences in Europe have clearly demonstrated that control measures known to be effective in reducing the incidence and spread of BSE have NOT yet eliminated the BSE risk. Despite high levels of confidence in the effectiveness of measures like import restrictions, feed bans, surveillance programs, and removal of specified risk materials, new cases, while reduced in frequency, continue to be detected.



Specifically, the European experience and the latest scientific research and recommendations tell us that import restrictions on certain Canadian products are essential, that Canada's feed ban is inadequate, that Canada's surveillance program is insufficient, and that Canada's SRM removal policy is deficient.



The USDA Final Rule falls well short of safe. The BSE mitigation measures that USDA has concluded are sufficient to justify imports from Canada and other countries where BSE is known to exist will reduce the risk of BSE transmission. But there is no evidence, either from the laboratory or from practical experience, to show that the measures are sufficient. In fact, the scientific evidence is to the contrary. The more we learn about BSE, the more we find that the most comprehensive measures available are the minimum that should be applied. USDA's own experts, along with FDA and other scientists devoted to BSE research, have urged more extensive measures be taken. Where, as here, both the health and safety of the single largest segment of American agriculture and of the American consumer is at stake, it is inappropriate to use politics and the economic interests of a relative few to short-change science-based protection.



This rule must be rewritten. A new rule must be premised on the objectives of establishing strict safety standards for imports from any country where BSE exists or where BSE cannot be ruled out.



R-CALF has come up with a word to help folks remember what we think USDA and Canada need to do before we resume trade in live cattle and beef. The word is STRICT, which stands for:



S – Stop the spread of BSE by eliminating all pathways of the BSE agent.



T – Test enough cattle to a) determine the prevalence of BSE, b) determine if the disease is waning or increasing, and c) monitor the effectiveness of Canada's feed ban.



R- Remove all specified risk materials as is done in Europe and elsewhere. SRMs must be expanded to include the entire intestine and mesentery of cattle over 12 months of age.



I – Implement Country-of-Origin Labeling to protect the U.S. cattle industry in the event that additional BSE cases are discovered in Canada and to afford U.S. consumers the right to choose between U.S. and Canadian beef.



C – Close feed ban loopholes and ensure feed ban compliance. Blood, poultry litter, plate waste, and all mammalian tissues need to be banned from the Canadian feed system, and prohibited materials must be handled in dedicated plants.



T – Then, and only then, resume trade with Canada.



Science argues for increasing standards, not lowering them, as USDA's Final Rule attempts to do.

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Bullard should have went one step more on C--This should not only pertain to Canada but to the U.S....This is too big an issue to cut corners on.......
 
Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
I'm Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America. I'm here today representing over 18,000 independent U.S. cattle producers

2 weeks ago it was 16000, then last week it was 13000,

so did R-calf sent out 18000 free memberships.. So whats the real numbers Ot


Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
If we ignore the warning signs surrounding BSE, as countries like Germany did, Japan did, and Canada did – and as R-CALF believes USDA has done of late -- we risk the same consequences these and other countries have experienced. Such a fate is unnecessary and avoidable. Canada must be required to address its BSE problem more completely before the U.S. border with Canada can be reopened.

Better worry about your own country and your testing program.Thankfully the USDA was upfront enought to sent a sample to England to be retested.



Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
"We in North America could do this experiment all over again, waiting for each new warning before adding more stringency to our control measures, or we can benefit from the British experience and take decisive measures now to arrest any further development of the underlying epidemic that is implicit in the two BSE cases discovered to date."



These scientists wrote this before Canada identified two more cases in January 2005.

4 cases is an epidemic...will your 1 case if it tests positive be an epedemic.What will be the fall out be after. Will r-calf stand up and say shes one of ours .Or will you like some R-Calfers call her a Mexican cow.

How will R- calf respond to the fear and confusion they have caused.
Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
" that Canada's feed ban is inadequate, that Canada's surveillance program is insufficient, and that Canada's SRM removal policy is deficient.

You boys don,t get out much do you . there is a lot of problems out there.. not just in Canada.

look a t F.D.A in 2003 finding 1200 known feed ban violations within the United States.Look at the controversy at some packing plants.

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Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
" R-CALF has come up with a word to help folks remember what we think USDA and Canada need to do before we resume trade in live cattle and beef.

As matter of fact I have a word for R-Calf as well


Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
" T – Test enough cattle to a) determine the prevalence of BSE, b) determine if the disease is waning or increasing, and c) monitor the effectiveness of Canada's feed ban.

Both countries need to increase their testing and one of them needs to be using the same test as the others.

Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
" I – Implement Country-of-Origin Labeling to protect the U.S. cattle industry in the event that additional BSE cases are discovered in Canada and to afford U.S. consumers the right to choose between U.S. and Canadian beef.

Our beef is labelled product of Canada ,when it leaves here.



Oldtimer":tuf73mi6 said:
" C – Close feed ban loopholes and ensure feed ban compliance. Blood, poultry litter, plate waste, and all mammalian tissues need to be banned from the Canadian feed system, and prohibited materials must be handled in dedicated plants.

That should apply to you as well . Canada is already at work on those issues

And lasty Canada has had in place a national I.D program for a number of yrs already .

Where Is the U.S at in terms of a National Program OT
 
I don't care about your star rating, I don't really care about any "Emoticons". I don't care if you dump this message. I am here to administer a dose of reality you people need in a bad way. The "duck blind" you have used with Canada has come to an end. We are not to blame anymore, we are not the risk anymore, and if you had any foresight and any forward thinking you may of understood that we (as Canadians) never were. Well however we are an easy target, easy to blame. BSE is real, it is here, and you people have no way of tracking it the way we can, shut us off, and we will shut you off and become a major competitor in a world right now has no real favourable opinion of you guys right now. Our government has not had enough of R-CALF, but the rest of the world has, and the world is turning a sympathetic to us and not R-CALF. My best advice is....Good Luck. You are creating your own end, I hope you are happy with it. I would not be.
 
Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
June 9, 2005 BSE Roundtable

Opening Remarks

Bill Bullard



Mr. Secretary and distinguished roundtable members, I'm Bill Bullard, CEO of R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America. I'm here today representing over 18,000 independent U.S. cattle producers who understand the long term viablility of our industry is dependent completely upon our ability and commitment to ensure the health and safety of our cattle herds and our consumers.



If we ignore the warning signs surrounding BSE, as countries like Germany did, Japan did, and Canada did – and as R-CALF believes USDA has done of late -- we risk the same consequences these and other countries have experienced. Such a fate is unnecessary and avoidable. Canada must be required to address its BSE problem more completely before the U.S. border with Canada can be reopened. .......


Did some one hit Bullard in the head with a stupid stick Several times...You already have B.s.e in The United States. You have the same problem.






Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
Within the context of USDA's proposal to resume trade with countries with BSE, particularly Canada, R-CALF USA offers three basic tenets:



We believe the goals of international trade are enhanced when trade is subject to strict safety standards;
Comprehensive research and applied science have demonstrated the essential combination of interlocking safety standards that have proven most effective in reducing the risks associated with BSE; and
The USDA Final Rule ignores and dismisses these essential scientific safety standards, effectively relegating both the U.S. cattle industry and U.S. consumers to defend itself from a 21st Century threat using 20th Century technology.


We know BSE exists in Canada. We also know this disease is pernicious, long-term, and difficult to control. This is not a kind of disease our industry is used to dealing with.
.......

Hell we also know b.S.e exists in the United States, We also know there has been a problem with the U.S testing program.In fact today as we speak is the U.S.D.A not back at square one.


Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
The ongoing experiences in Europe have clearly demonstrated that control measures known to be effective in reducing the incidence and spread of BSE have NOT yet eliminated the BSE risk. Despite high levels of confidence in the effectiveness of measures like import restrictions, feed bans, surveillance programs, and removal of specified risk materials, new cases, while reduced in frequency, continue to be detected.



Specifically, the European experience and the latest scientific research and recommendations tell us that import restrictions on certain Canadian products are essential, that Canada's feed ban is inadequate, that Canada's surveillance program is insufficient, and that Canada's SRM removal policy is deficient.

What about your own feed ban problems dickie boy, What about the fact the F.d.A found 1200 U.S feed handling companies in violation of the feed ban In 2003.

As far as Canadas surveillance at least we were not forced to retest animals using the proper test months later.Only to find a positive B.S.e case.

Canada srm removal policy is at least equal to or better than the U.S.D.A policy.It even covers petfood.

Whereas In the UNited STates Oldtimer goes out to the chicken barn for protein for his cows.Yum sure sounds good a steak from an animal fed chicken sh!!t.



Furthermore Canada has in place an national id program to track its cattle..The U.S has nothing at this time


Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
S – Stop the spread of BSE by eliminating all pathways of the BSE agent.

Lead the way boys



Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
T – Test enough cattle to a) determine the prevalence of BSE, b) determine if the disease is waning or increasing, and c) monitor the effectiveness of Canada's feed ban.

I guess in your case you could start by actually using a test that works OT



Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
R- Remove all specified risk materials as is done in Europe and elsewhere. SRMs must be expanded to include the entire intestine and mesentery of cattle over 12 months of age.

Again lead the way .. you are now at b.S.E infected country. So lead by example.



Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
– Implement Country-of-Origin Labeling to protect the U.S. cattle industry in the event that additional BSE cases are discovered in Canada and to afford U.S. consumers the right to choose between U.S. and Canadian beef.

What a joke You already have B.s.E in your own country.

Just remember it leaves Canada as product of Canada.




Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
C – Close feed ban loopholes and ensure feed ban compliance. Blood, poultry litter, plate waste, and all mammalian tissues need to be banned from the Canadian feed system, and prohibited materials must be handled in dedicated plants.

Chickenshit / Plate waste have been banned since 1997 .And lead the way again on the other materials.






Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
T – Then, and only then, resume trade with Canada.

@**#@ AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON TOO.



Science argues for increasing standards, not lowering them, as USDA's Final Rule attempts to do.

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Oldtimer":36bmccjv said:
Bullard should have went one step more on C--This should not only pertain to Canada but to the U.S....This is too big an issue to cut corners on..............

That would mean that he would have grow some balls and a spine then OT

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Why should a little science stand in the way of economic protectionism? If everyone did that, we'd be doing without all the money generated by trade. Something like Albania and all it's little horse-drawn wagons.
 
A message to all you Canadians out there.........fellow North Americans......fellow cattle producers..........we are sailing the same boat these days............just different parts of it.... We love ya no matter what the politics! Hang in there, when the ship floats we all float, when it sinks to the bottom, we all go down in the end.;-)
 
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