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Hereford friends, this bull here looks very good. I didn't even know that ABS Global had a part interest in him. Very good bloodlines and looks to be a very thick bull. I think that I will try him out of heifers. What do you all think, I want your alls opinions before I use him. Ellis Farm and Schu-lar Polled Herefords have some very good bred cattle.

Proficient looks to have very good EPDS, great muscle pattern, great depth of body, and seems to be linebacked, but that doesn't bother me. Also, he looks to have pigment around the eyes. His dam, Dixie 009K, a Right to Flush sold in the 2006 Ellis Farm sale for $10,000 to R&R Farms in California, that is where Dixie 009K is located at now.

So what do you think?

THG
 
THG":3grk8wac said:
Very good bloodlines and looks to be a very thick bull. I think that I will try him out of heifers.

Dixie 009K is located at now.

So what do you think?

THG
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You didn't say what breed of cows you have but--You must be looking for more to do than I am :roll: -- As I would not be using him on heifers.. I won't even use a plus 1.8 BW EPD angus on heifers anymore...Just too many proven calving ease black angus bulls around ...And even some of the purebred breeders I know use easy calving angus on their first calf hereford heifers.....
But my heifers pretty much calve on their own- and only get checked a couple times a day- but so far I have yet to see one calf being born, as they are on the ground or up and sucking when I check.....

I also notice that ABS gives you little info on the bull (BW, WW, YW, mature frame score, mature weight etc.)....
 
I think I will give him a shot on my heifers and let you know 9 months from now how the heifers calved out.

THG
 
I HATE to agree with THG; but the bull is in the top 20% of the Hereford breed for birth weight with a 61% accuracy and is in the top 5% for calving ease and the top 10% of the breed in the Calving EZ index. There are a LOT of popular Hereford sires which should never go near a heifer; but I think we are getting a little overprotective of our heifers if you can't even trust them with a Hereford calving ease specialist.
 
Brandonm2":1v0tnbfz said:
I HATE to agree with THG; but the bull is in the top 20% of the Hereford breed for birth weight with a 61% accuracy and is in the top 5% for calving ease and the top 10% of the breed in the Calving EZ index. There are a LOT of popular Hereford sires which should never go near a heifer; but I think we are getting a little overprotective of our heifers if you can't even trust them with a Hereford calving ease specialist.
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I have to agree with you about breeders getting over protective. I wouldn't worry if I bred Proficient to 25 to 30 heifers, I wouldn't worry at all. I am going to give Turner Brothers a phone call today, find out about Proficient just a little bit more and then report back. I am going to find out from them about BW's, WW's, and YW's on there progeny and also find out if they have sent any steers sired by Proficient to the rail for beef and see what the calves are dressing out like. I will let you all know something today. I still think that this bull is a true heifer and carcass bull without a doubt and should have some daughters in production before to long?

THG
 
WHO IS THE ONE THAT WON'T LET HIM NEAR HEIFERS?

They obviously DON'T understand Hereford EPDs. +4.1 on CED... I'd use him. I'd like to see a bit more flank... but he's not bad. THG have you seen the bull "Frank" at EF?
 
ilfarmer92":15wv114u said:
WHO IS THE ONE THAT WON'T LET HIM NEAR HEIFERS?
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I guess I think more of my heifers- and am lazier...I just don't want to take a chance on an unproven bull ( CED accuracy is .19--BW accuracy is .61) that the semen pimps won't even put up the birthweight/WW/size or frame on :roll: - when there are so many proven angus bulls (an easier calving breed anyway) that have accuracies running in the 95-98% ....

I've calved heifers bred to hereford- simmi-angus- and as I get older/lazier/wiser I've found I enjoy the ease of the proven black angus bulls...I'd much rather have a live calf out of a heifer that doesn't have to be stressed by pulling it and that will breed back fast- than a big old dummy calf that I have to put time or money into just so it can have a white face- or even worse a dead calf and a heifer that needs stitches or one that comes in open or late in the fall.....

To me if they are bound and set on breeding hereford- ABS- and the other semen providers have several much more proven easy calving herefords....
 
Oldtimer":3g6tu7dn said:
To me if they are bound and set on breeding hereford- ABS- and the other semen providers have several much more proven easy calving herefords....
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Not sure iff 774 is styill available but he's the easiest calving Polled Hereford bull we've used. His daughters calve easy too.

dun
 
Caustic Burno":1whraz7h said:
Another magizine bull. Its just like selling fishing lures, you don't sell lures to catch fish but to catch fishermen.
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Magazine bulls are kind of like magazine women....they primp, package, and photograph both to make you believe they are better than the ones available locally. It is all marketing, whether your selling bull semen or Hollywood movies.
 
Brandonm2":1wjfulae said:
Caustic Burno":1wjfulae said:
Another magizine bull. Its just like selling fishing lures, you don't sell lures to catch fish but to catch fishermen.
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Magazine bulls are kind of like magazine women....they primp, package, and photograph both to make you believe they are better than the ones available locally. It is all marketing, whether your selling bull semen or Hollywood movies.
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A friend of mine once said that there were 2 magazines he never read, Playboy and Nattional Geographic. They both showed him places he knew he could nver get to

dun
 
dun":3y01b101 said:
Brandonm2":3y01b101 said:
Caustic Burno":3y01b101 said:
Another magizine bull. Its just like selling fishing lures, you don't sell lures to catch fish but to catch fishermen.
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Magazine bulls are kind of like magazine women....they primp, package, and photograph both to make you believe they are better than the ones available locally. It is all marketing, whether your selling bull semen or Hollywood movies.
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A friend of mine once said that there were 2 magazines he never read, Playboy and Nattional Geographic. They both showed him places he knew he could nver get to

dun
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Yeah, but there's nothing wrong with dreaming about it once in awhile. National Geographic, that is. ;-)
 
I'll jump on the I would use him on my heifers wagon. I like the bull pretty well. I think his EPD's are more than safe on heifers. My problem with him is he is just one of many, many bulls like that to chose from, nothing really makes his stand out from the others.

Alan
 
Alan, Proficient is a bull that is designed to sire performance type cattle, not showring cattle. I haven't called Turner Brothers yet, but I need to so that I can report about how they have gotten along with him. Alan, I guess a try of him on heifers won't hurt anything?

ThG
 
THG":zwhir1od said:
Alan, Proficient is a bull that is designed to sire performance type cattle, not showring cattle. I haven't called Turner Brothers yet, but I need to so that I can report about how they have gotten along with him. Alan, I guess a try of him on heifers won't hurt anything?

ThG
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I think he would be a fine heifer bull. My problem is there is lots of good bulls with similar EPD's and phenotypes out there. Semen price would be a factor in that case, but still nothing that really makes him stand above the main pack of bulls.

Yes all, I know bulls don't run in packs, they flock together.

Alan
 

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