Campground Cattle said:
Well again were not comparing apples to apples I wean at six months and haul to the salebarn with 575 to 625 pound calves and on the way to the bank. I consistly beat the Angus at the salebarn here .
Congratulations. Apparently beating Angus is important to you.
Angus are a cure all how funny not every one wants to run knotty cattle.
If you're raising knotty Angus, look to their genetics. I suggested that in my first post and that seemed to get you all riled up. Are you such a good judge of cattle that you've never, ever bought sorry stock of any breed? Gee, I wish I could say the same.
Angus genetics with some Brahman kicked in is a decent cow, now you have something that will grow
They should. Of course, depending on the Brahman influence, you might get docked at the sale barn. And MARC research shows that the more Brahman influence, the more likely the meat will be tough.
You might fool some of these newcomers about these big Angus,
You can fool yourself into thinking that someone didn't slip some Maine in to get the size.
Just like Hereford breeders can fool theirself that manes disappeared and pigment around the eyes apeared overnight without some simm influence.
You have your opinion. However, like most people, you don't have a leg to stand on to prove these claims. Angus and Hereford Associations have tried to keep the breeds pure. Many other breeds encouraged breeding up (cross breeding), but not those two associations. Did someone accidentally or even purposely slip outside blood into Angus and Herefords. I don't know and neither do you. But I do know the Angus Association has always used the latest "technology" available to exclude animals that are not pure. Hip height is one of the more heritable traits. If you wanted to increase the size of your cows, simply breeding big cows to big bulls will do it in a couple of generations.
I don't think Hereford is a cure all for the industry as most Angus producers I have met. The Angus Association has sold a line of BS to the American public with a good PR program, hats off there to them.
P.T. Barnum is alive and well.
LOL! IMO, you're insulting a lot of intelligent cattlemen with this statement.
The difference in you and I ,is I look at cattle realistically and not at hair color.
No, I'm looking for cattle that will perform. Many years ago we chose an Angus bull to use on commercial, mostly crossbred heifers. We chose Angus because they had EPDs; no other breed offered them at the time. In fact, few Angus breeders in my area had Angus with EPDs. Every heifer calved unassisted. (One Hereford heifer didn't raise her calf, but that's another story.) We were greatly impressed and decided we'd buy an Angus cow or two to raise our own bulls. LOL! We soon found out that wasn't as simple as it looked.
Now if you like Angus run them I don't believe there are bad cattle, but not all breeds produce the same in different enviroments. If Angus did well here every pasture would be full of them.
Around here, pastures are full of black cattle. I do see more red Limousin than I've seen in a few years, but many of the local breeders who bought their Limousin bulls from Express are now buying Angus bulls from Express.
Can't hardly find Angus in this country…
You live in East Texas, I don't. But we attend some sales down there every year. The East Texas Angus and ALOT Associations are doing very well. The ALOT November bull sale averaged $1900. That's pretty good for a consignment sale. They sold $3-4,000 bulls at the last bull sale I attended. Those two groups support four or five Angus bull sales a year. The East Texas group used to have a spring "Big Bred Heifer Sale." There were some well-bred heifers sold there. And demand for Angus cattle in Louisiana and Arkansas has grown tremendously in the last few years. I know that several herds between here and Mt. Pleasant have turned black since we started making that trip.
…again the majority of producers in East Texas have got it wrong with Bragnus/ Hereford/Limm or Brahman influence leading the sales at the barn.
I wouldn't try to discourage anyone from running crossbred cattle, adapted for their environment. But sometimes people should step back and ask if they really need so much Brahman influence in a particular environment. Or are they running those type cattle because their daddy and grand daddy did? Or what kind of consistency am I getting from a three, four way cross cow? A good Angus bull on those kind of cattle should get you a calf that grows well and will be acceptable at the sale barn, feedlot, and packing house. As I said, I don't live in East Texas. But I do know several Angus breeders there and they are very pleased with the increasing demand for Angus bulls and commercial Angus cows. In fact, at the last ALOT bull sale I attended, several people told me they had sold their weaned Angus bull calves for $1,000. As they stood there and watched bulls selling for 2-3 times that, some of them were wishing they had held on to their bulls for the sale.
