Highpoint":2sw9pyll said:This is why this site is so helpful to a cattle care giver like me. I have been adding molasses to a side water container with Apple cider vinegar. This is what research from OSU "When cows ingest the simple sugars in molasses, it creates a lowered rumen pH that can lead to digestive disruption, health risks and economic disadvantages (Oklahoma State University study). Called the Negative Associative Effect, this decrease in rumen pH inhibits the optimal microbial population in ruminant digestive systems when they're fed forages. This can create health problems and cause the animals to eat greater amounts of forage or hay, in order to buffer their rumen pH back up."
You just saved me time and money. Thank you again. I'll know soon if removing this will work.
Highpoint":1yfudk5v said:
callmefence":2h95yhxl said:Highpoint":2h95yhxl said:
Is the orange thing that looks like a trailer tongue a poop app? How does it work?
TexasBred":2modx7bz said:Highpoint":2modx7bz said:This is why this site is so helpful to a cattle care giver like me. I have been adding molasses to a side water container with Apple cider vinegar. This is what research from OSU "When cows ingest the simple sugars in molasses, it creates a lowered rumen pH that can lead to digestive disruption, health risks and economic disadvantages (Oklahoma State University study). Called the Negative Associative Effect, this decrease in rumen pH inhibits the optimal microbial population in ruminant digestive systems when they're fed forages. This can create health problems and cause the animals to eat greater amounts of forage or hay, in order to buffer their rumen pH back up."
You just saved me time and money. Thank you again. I'll know soon if removing this will work.
Are your cattle grazing or eating hay?? Either way it appears much of it is undigestible and little more than filler. Rumen ph should not be a problem on a forage based diet. Personally (and just my opinion) you're wasting a lot of money feeding all of this vinegar, molasses and other stuff when you really don't know what the problem is that you are attacking. Get some higher quality roughage and/or supplement the cow with some additional protein, step back and watch.
Hightpoint I understand what you're trying to do but when the article uses the words "Organic" and "Inorganic" when talking about minerals I think you missed what they meant. Do a google search on oxides, sulfates and then do another on "chelates"....chelates are organic. THEN.....begin to supplement your cattle with a few pounds of good commercial feed every day. ;-)Highpoint":14eahkz1 said:The cattle are grazing. I have been trying to give organic supplements instead of non-organic because of research showing calves gain around 50 lbs more here is the article. http://www.beefmagazine.com/nutrition/f ... 637d7077a6
The poop looked like picture two where it was good until I added the molasses. If ok I'll share another picture in day or so. The entire herd is around 200 and I am only taking care of 9. Experimenting so to speak. They will be bringing 90 calves over to ween next week and this will help me know how they are doing too. The cattle have some bluestem at the back Bermuda and crab. Then the rest is stuff they do not like as well.
Thank you Texas Board that was good to know as the supplements I am using do chelate but are pennies compared to what is sold at coop. My tests have to include convince and costs but also insure good health. The poop I found today has gone back to a caked look but if protein is still needed I will include.TexasBred":16l6cjzw said:Hightpoint I understand what you're trying to do but when the article uses the words "Organic" and "Inorganic" when talking about minerals I think you missed what they meant. Do a google search on oxides, sulfates and then do another on "chelates"....chelates are organic. THEN.....begin to supplement your cattle with a few pounds of good commercial feed every day. ;-)Highpoint":16l6cjzw said:The cattle are grazing. I have been trying to give organic supplements instead of non-organic because of research showing calves gain around 50 lbs more here is the article. http://www.beefmagazine.com/nutrition/f ... 637d7077a6
The poop looked like picture two where it was good until I added the molasses. If ok I'll share another picture in day or so. The entire herd is around 200 and I am only taking care of 9. Experimenting so to speak. They will be bringing 90 calves over to ween next week and this will help me know how they are doing too. The cattle have some bluestem at the back Bermuda and crab. Then the rest is stuff they do not like as well.
Highpoint":7gsp0ary said:Thank you Texas Board that was good to know as the supplements I am using do chelate but are pennies compared to what is sold at coop. My tests have to include convince and costs but also insure good health. The poop I found today has gone back to a caked look but if protein is still needed I will include.
Jeanne - Simme Valley":1ya7hfsw said:First, there was a 25# difference between organic & inorganic mineral. Organic minerals are trace minerals that are easily absorbed by their body. Organic trace minerals are about the only thing I purchase that has any organic anything (including people food).
TexasBred":31x08fls said:Highpoint":31x08fls said:Thank you Texas Board that was good to know as the supplements I am using do chelate but are pennies compared to what is sold at coop. My tests have to include convince and costs but also insure good health. The poop I found today has gone back to a caked look but if protein is still needed I will include.
Then you're really not serious about herd health nor profitability. A bag of mineral containing chelates cost only a very few dollars more than one containing nothing but oxides and sulfates and over 90% of the chelated minerals are acutally utilized by the cattle instead of simply passing through and ending up on the ground. That is waste !!!! But I guess you can justify it by saying you are improving the soil by adding rock aka, oxides. I dont think you really want help or opinions. Just wants someone to be a sympathetic sounding board for your so called research. Best wishes.
My husband sucks down a tablespoon of unfiltered vinegar every morning. It's done wonders for his digestive system & he's off RX Prilosec. ;-) I don't doubt the principle (although no way, no how would I drink vinegar).snoopdog":e1owefhr said:My wife used to use vinegar in the water medicater of chicken houses when they had a loose stool. Two different digestive systems but Iimagine the same principle, someone can correct me if I'm wrong .
I used the word rocks because when you feed minerals that are "Oxides" as in Zinc Oxide,etc. they are little more than rocks. Very fine ground rocks but still rocks.Highpoint":37cqxh0r said:TexasBred":37cqxh0r said:Highpoint":37cqxh0r said:Thank you Texas Board that was good to know as the supplements I am using do chelate but are pennies compared to what is sold at coop. My tests have to include convince and costs but also insure good health. The poop I found today has gone back to a caked look but if protein is still needed I will include.
Then you're really not serious about herd health nor profitability. A bag of mineral containing chelates cost only a very few dollars more than one containing nothing but oxides and sulfates and over 90% of the chelated minerals are acutally utilized by the cattle instead of simply passing through and ending up on the ground. That is waste !!!! But I guess you can justify it by saying you are improving the soil by adding rock aka, oxides. I dont think you really want help or opinions. Just wants someone to be a sympathetic sounding board for your so called research. Best wishes.
I come at it in a different direction is all and yes I have read much than researched. Cattlemen talk in a different language which I am learning.
No I have not advocated adding rocks but I know plants absorb nutrients from them not as much cattle.
Also the board helped show me the imbalance which allowed me to research and correct. Not sure what offended you but have a great day anyway.
TexasBred":3jnsycv8 said:I used the word rocks because when you feed minerals that are "Oxides" as in Zinc Oxide,etc. they are little more than rocks. Very fine ground rocks but still rocks.Highpoint":3jnsycv8 said:TexasBred":3jnsycv8 said:Then you're really not serious about herd health nor profitability. A bag of mineral containing chelates cost only a very few dollars more than one containing nothing but oxides and sulfates and over 90% of the chelated minerals are acutally utilized by the cattle instead of simply passing through and ending up on the ground. That is waste !!!! But I guess you can justify it by saying you are improving the soil by adding rock aka, oxides. I dont think you really want help or opinions. Just wants someone to be a sympathetic sounding board for your so called research. Best wishes.
I come at it in a different direction is all and yes I have read much than researched. Cattlemen talk in a different language which I am learning.
No I have not advocated adding rocks but I know plants absorb nutrients from them not as much cattle.
Also the board helped show me the imbalance which allowed me to research and correct. Not sure what offended you but have a great day anyway.