Pasture and Weeds

[Chuckie]

This is what my pasture looks like now and the Bermuda is getting taller and some of the fescue is too. Not a fan of the fescue, but, it is what it is. Getting ready to cut the tops out of the grass.
Check out what is growing in my Durana, and I am trying to figure out how to kill this Horsenettle in the clover. Dicamba kills it but kills clover as well. I am reading to kill the Horse nettle, you will have to kill the clover and then re-seed it. Ugh! $170 for a 25 pound bag. Looks like I will be spot spraying the Horsenettle with a hand pump. This is the weed from hell. I hate taking this much pain for this mess.

 

[coachg]

Yes sir , we used Grazon. Not seeing the horse nettle or the clover . Oh well clover will eventually come back on it's on . I hate the horse nettle !

 

[BC]

I too hate horse nettle. With the clover you have, I would spot treat the horse nettle. It may take you some time, but you have a really good stand and I would hate to see you start over.

 

[kenny thomas]

There is a new herbicide that will kill broadleaf weeds but not white clover. It will kill eed and ladino clovers though.

 

[Chuckie]

Kenny Thomas, I will read, but I am afraid that BC is telling me the way it is. That Durana has been out there for 20 years. People have told me that white clover will only live for so long. But this clover just gets thicker every year. Feel like I am killing an old friend. It sure adds a lot of nitrogen to the soil. It was nice to know how much less nitrogen I had to add to the pasture where the Durana was vs, the Bermuda Hay field which had not a single legume growing in it. They always told me, for every 10% of clover you have mixed in your grass pasture, it equals to 10 units of nitrogen. I can live with that.

 

[1982vett]

If it's been their for 20 years, I think your not likely to wipe it out. For years Dad used to spray weeds a lot earlier than I do. Not sure how many varieties of clover I have now but it is considerably more than the 3 I was establishing way back when.

 

[Chuckie]

That Durana is like Bermuda, as it sends runner out a long ways from the plant, only to root again and star the process over from where the roots are. Never had a cow die of bloat on it using Rumensin in my feed. Argued with a vet over that and he said when he was in school, they learned it was an antibiotic?? That seemed weird, and I told him he needed to look it up as it now is being used also as a bloat preventive as it destroys 80% of frothy bloat from clover. He said it is a wonder that I did not lost a lot of cows. This is not an old vet either. He needs to go back over Rumensin as he needs to tell his people with cattle that they can use this to prevent bloat. I have never had a bloat block out nor put anything in the feed other than Rumensin to prevent it. I have it in my mineral as well. Tennessee Farmers Co-op sells Rumensin in their mineral. He told me he did not have to read up on it as he studied it in college. Medications are found to have dual purposes mow. Ivermectin cures cancer and viruses and it not just a wormer. Many pharmaceuticals have been found to be dual purpose, and this vet should read about it because it works so, so well.

 

[NIdahoShorthorns]

Why not a 24d based spray? In my experience once that white clover has flowered the 24d may knock it back a little but is unlikely to kill it.

 

[Mark Reynolds]

This is what my pasture looks like now and the Bermuda is getting taller and some of the fescue is too. Not a fan of the fescue, but, it is what it is. Getting ready to cut the tops out of the grass.
Check out what is growing in my Durana, and I am trying to figure out how to kill this Horsenettle in the clover. Dicamba kills it but kills clover as well. I am reading to kill the Horse nettle, you will have to kill the clover and then re-seed it. Ugh! $170 for a 25 pound bag. Looks like I will be spot spraying the Horsenettle with a hand pump. This is the weed from hell. I hate taking this much pain for this mess. View attachment 58172

I don't mean for this comment to come across negative or sarcastic, but it might without intention. Give this comment/question some serious thought: If you hate taking this much pain for it, stop and consider why it is there to begin with before you attempt to kill it. Once you have that answer, then kill it and don't invite it back.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Why not a 24d based spray? In my experience once that white clover has flowered the 24d may knock it back a little but is unlikely to kill it.

That's all I use is 2-4-D to protect my clover and seed bank.
P+D is not your friend the same people in the chemical business are in the seed.
I used to spend a small fortune decades ago buying seed for winter pasture.

 

[Allenw]

That's all I use is 2-4-D to protect my clover and seed bank.
P+D is not your friend the same people in the chemical business are in the seed.
I used to spend a small fortune decades ago buying seed for winter pasture.

Residual herbicide can cause long term effects for deep rooted legumes like clovers and alfalfa.

 

[coachg]

Why not a 24d based spray? In my experience once that white clover has flowered the 24d may knock it back a little but is unlikely to kill it.

Won't kill horse nettle

 

[Caustic Burno]

Won't kill horse nettle

It will if you spray it in bloom.
It's like black and dew berry all about timing or you're wasting chemicals.
The 2-4-D is what kills the D is dicamba an acid for broadleaf and the 2-4 is an amine salt. Only difference in it and Grazon is it has picloram that stops seed germination.
Best thing for nettle, Osage and skunk cabbage IMOO is spot sprayed with Remedy.
That kills it black flag dead.

 

[coachg]

It will if you spray it in bloom.
It's like black and dew berry all about timing or you're wasting chemicals.
The 2-4-D is what kills the D is dicamba an acid for broadleaf and the 2-4 is an amine salt. Only difference in it and Grazon is it has picloram that stops seed germination.
Best thing for nettle, Osage and skunk cabbage IMOO is spot sprayed with Remedy.
That kills it black flag dead.

Mine must be different . I've sprayed it first coming up . In the bloom and in between. 24D has never killed it ! And yes it was the correct mixture and have even tried it hot .

 

[coachg]

 

[Caustic Burno]

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That's the exact reason I said spot spray with Remedy.
I had some Osage I couldn't kill with 2–4-D.

 

[coachg]

Read the fine print on the bottom picture. I'm not arguing with you . Just saying what we have run into . When I don't have horse nettle I use 2-4D for buttercup and summer cedar . I use remedy for briars and other woody stem plants .