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<blockquote data-quote="Anonymous" data-source="post: 17030"><p>> We are in final stages of</p><p>> re-fencing two small sub-pasture</p><p>> areas totaling about 11 acres.</p><p>> These "paddocks" are to</p><p>> be used to rotate selected animals</p><p>> while our other pasture areas are</p><p>> recovering and to keep</p><p>> "wild" weeds and other</p><p>> grasses eaten down. Since we're</p><p>> into a registered breeding</p><p>> operation with several small</p><p>> different pedigree groups, this is</p><p>> the way we manage our stock. Now</p><p>> some questions for those producers</p><p>> in Texas, especially.</p><p></p><p>> First, I have received absolutely</p><p>> no positive response from the TAEX</p><p>> people or from the Range</p><p>> Management people at Texas A &</p><p>> M University, even after I sent</p><p>> them photos of our pastures. None</p><p>> of the local/area Extension people</p><p>> are apparently interested in or</p><p>> willing to do a site</p><p>> visit....duh....guess they're too</p><p>> interested in 4-H or Home Canning</p><p>> activities...lol.</p><p></p><p>> Anyway, we have a better than</p><p>> average stand of native</p><p>> bermudagreass on our property.</p><p>> These "new" pasture</p><p>> areas have less than average stand</p><p>> of good grass. I want to overseed</p><p>> next spring (when weather warms up</p><p>> for sowing warm-season grasses)</p><p>> with bermuda. [Note: we mowed down</p><p>> our weeds in these pasture areas</p><p>> recently and turned some of cattle</p><p>> in for grazing]. I had prefer not</p><p>> to use herbicides in the spring.</p><p>> Our weeds are primarily Russian</p><p>> Thistle (tumbleweeds), a small</p><p>> yellow flowered weed, a 3-4' tall</p><p>> stiff stemmed white (as well as</p><p>> yellow) flowering weed, and some</p><p>> other minor weeds which seem to be</p><p>> annuals. These weeds probably (in</p><p>> season) cover about 50% of the 2</p><p>> sub-pastures.</p><p></p><p>> Now to the point: What are our</p><p>> chances of broadcast overseeding</p><p>> bermuda in late spring at 2X the</p><p>> normal rate and getting a</p><p>> reasonable start on more bermuda?</p><p>> Also, we plan to fertilize again</p><p>> in late spring. Due to very sandy</p><p>> conditions in the Texas Panhandle</p><p>> region, I do not want to till or</p><p>> disturb the soil any more than</p><p>> absolutely necessary due to wind</p><p>> erosion problems around here. Bill, you probably have a plan in mind that will best suit your situation. I live in sandy country of central Texas and fully understand your concerns. I'll give you something else to consider, not that this may be THE way to establish your grass. I think you will have a tuff time getting grass established from seed with competition from the weed pests you mentioned, especially thistle, without some chemical control. I respect your position to keep their use to a minimum. Consider tilling in strips, maybe disturbing less than 50% of the total soil, and if possible using bermuda sprigs if digging and sprigging is an option. If you are in the panhandle of Texas using 24-D to stunt maybe not kill the weeds might be an option if drift to cotton or other susceptible plants is not an issue. Other products are available and their effectiveness on target weeds and timing of application should be looked at. Sprigs should survive any moving sand which should be minimal and adverse weather conditions such as lack of moisture following sprigging. Don't know if this is appropriate for your particular situation. I have done this with success.</p><p></p><p>> Will appreciate any comments from</p><p>> the grass experts on this board as</p><p>> well as any suggestions you might</p><p>> have.</p><p></p><p>> Thanks, Bill.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> <a href="mailto:hudds@cctc.net">hudds@cctc.net</a></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Anonymous, post: 17030"] > We are in final stages of > re-fencing two small sub-pasture > areas totaling about 11 acres. > These "paddocks" are to > be used to rotate selected animals > while our other pasture areas are > recovering and to keep > "wild" weeds and other > grasses eaten down. Since we're > into a registered breeding > operation with several small > different pedigree groups, this is > the way we manage our stock. Now > some questions for those producers > in Texas, especially. > First, I have received absolutely > no positive response from the TAEX > people or from the Range > Management people at Texas A & > M University, even after I sent > them photos of our pastures. None > of the local/area Extension people > are apparently interested in or > willing to do a site > visit....duh....guess they're too > interested in 4-H or Home Canning > activities...lol. > Anyway, we have a better than > average stand of native > bermudagreass on our property. > These "new" pasture > areas have less than average stand > of good grass. I want to overseed > next spring (when weather warms up > for sowing warm-season grasses) > with bermuda. [Note: we mowed down > our weeds in these pasture areas > recently and turned some of cattle > in for grazing]. I had prefer not > to use herbicides in the spring. > Our weeds are primarily Russian > Thistle (tumbleweeds), a small > yellow flowered weed, a 3-4' tall > stiff stemmed white (as well as > yellow) flowering weed, and some > other minor weeds which seem to be > annuals. These weeds probably (in > season) cover about 50% of the 2 > sub-pastures. > Now to the point: What are our > chances of broadcast overseeding > bermuda in late spring at 2X the > normal rate and getting a > reasonable start on more bermuda? > Also, we plan to fertilize again > in late spring. Due to very sandy > conditions in the Texas Panhandle > region, I do not want to till or > disturb the soil any more than > absolutely necessary due to wind > erosion problems around here. Bill, you probably have a plan in mind that will best suit your situation. I live in sandy country of central Texas and fully understand your concerns. I'll give you something else to consider, not that this may be THE way to establish your grass. I think you will have a tuff time getting grass established from seed with competition from the weed pests you mentioned, especially thistle, without some chemical control. I respect your position to keep their use to a minimum. Consider tilling in strips, maybe disturbing less than 50% of the total soil, and if possible using bermuda sprigs if digging and sprigging is an option. If you are in the panhandle of Texas using 24-D to stunt maybe not kill the weeds might be an option if drift to cotton or other susceptible plants is not an issue. Other products are available and their effectiveness on target weeds and timing of application should be looked at. Sprigs should survive any moving sand which should be minimal and adverse weather conditions such as lack of moisture following sprigging. Don't know if this is appropriate for your particular situation. I have done this with success. > Will appreciate any comments from > the grass experts on this board as > well as any suggestions you might > have. > Thanks, Bill. [email=hudds@cctc.net]hudds@cctc.net[/email] [/QUOTE]
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