I'm curious as to how other black breeds are handling the genetic disorders that are showing up in Angus. If you're using a black Simmental, Limmi or Maine bull, do you know anything about the Angus bloodlines in him?
sooknortex":39qktgd1 said:Sounds like an advertisement for Charolais or Herefords to me.
sooknortex":3925q90w said:Seems to have effected much less animals. Get a test and your animal is listed as IEF if he does not have the recessive.
When is AAA coming out with Certified Curly Beef? Certified Fawn Beef? Certified Hydro Beef?
LOL
On a side note, do you mean to tell me that Gardiner's never had any of these problems in their herd? What happened to those animals? Were they submitted for tests?
If Gardiners had been up front years ago, a lot of this could have probably been avoided.
I just find it too incredible to believe that with their breeding program they never had these problem calves years ago. Precision is over 20 years old isn't he? They must be the luckiest people alive to have had all these recessive gene problems and never have had an affected calf.
Oh maybe now they are submitting but what about 8-10 years ago when these funny calves came out?
Red Bull Breeder":1rkcmzys said:Don't have a problem with AM or fawn calf Frankie real Limi's don't have any Angus in them.
sooknortex":1bo510q3 said:Sounds like an advertisement for Charolais or Herefords to me.
sooknortex":3hsytqoa said:Why... Frankie, looks like somebody just walked right over your grave
Frankie":3sgmmfi4 said:Red Bull Breeder":3sgmmfi4 said:Don't have a problem with AM or fawn calf Frankie real Limi's don't have any Angus in them.
I understand. When we moved back home (1983), there were red Limousin cattle all over the place. I especially liked the bulls. But after listening to some kollege kowboys debate whether Limousin or Simmental was the easier pull on heifers, we decided to go with an Angus bull on our first cattle.
HerefordSire":3tgppa6i said:I wonder who is going to get the last word in. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
Workinonit Farm":i2wa8e5k said:HerefordSire":i2wa8e5k said:I wonder who is going to get the last word in. :dunce: :dunce: :dunce:
Whichever moderator is the one to lock it.
Katherine
I've been doing some research on AM for my Animal Breeding paper, and this is kind of a summary of what I've read:sooknortex":l5fos39f said:On a side note, do you mean to tell me that Gardiner's never had any of these problems in their herd? What happened to those animals? Were they submitted for tests?
If Gardiners had been up front years ago, a lot of this could have probably been avoided.
I just find it too incredible to believe that with their breeding program they never had these problem calves years ago. Precision is over 20 years old isn't he? They must be the luckiest people alive to have had all these recessive gene problems and never have had an affected calf.
Oh maybe now they are submitting but what about 8-10 years ago when these funny calves came out?
Red Bull Breeder":2033s9ap said:Well i replied to Frankies question with a honest reply real Limi's don't have those problems. Not the bulls fault them little pinchassed cows couldn't pass more than a tomcat.
at least the hollywood versionDOC HARRIS":2prrw28o said:Some of you guys have "The Shootout at the OK Corral" down pretty pat! :clap: :clap: :clap: :tiphat:
DOC HARRIS