Too long of a thought process to really explain in one post, but the American people benefit from a cheap never ending supply of food. Of all the things their tax dollar goes to, everybody recieves from the farm subsidy. Be a tough place to live of all the farmers folded. Now, do some receive the majority-------Yes.
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How much you put in does not matter. If you get subsidies, welfare, or any other dollars back you are a statistic they use to justify bigger govt, more taxing, and more redistribution. The politicians get on TV and say look at all the people we helped.... we need MORE! MORE! MORE! of your dollars.
Yall have fallen for the for it hook line and sinker that farmers NEED the govt. Take away taxes and I could pay around 40% more for good & services and still have the same amount in my pocket. Yall encourage the govt to tax us 30% or more to pay their salaries, buy votes, give it to a bunch of other people, and hand yall pennies on the dollar in the form of subsidies.
Basically yall went in to business with the govt and let them help you decide the cost of your product. :bang: Not to smart.
Yall have fallen for the for it hook line and sinker that farmers NEED the govt. Take away taxes and I could pay around 40% more for good & services and still have the same amount in my pocket. Yall encourage the govt to tax us 30% or more to pay their salaries, buy votes, give it to a bunch of other people, and hand yall pennies on the dollar in the form of subsidies.
Basically yall went in to business with the govt and let them help you decide the cost of your product. :bang: Not to smart.
Caustic Burno
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Brute I couldn't have put it any better.
First rule of holes is quit digging.
All subsidies and welfare do is devalue the dollar in the redistribution scheme.
The government just taxes you on fuel or some other item or prints more money
the only way is to keep going down .They love diesel as every time they raise that tax they hit every American from a roll of toilet paper to a settin of eggs and none are the wiser. The Ford truck that cost 4k in 1975 now is 40K.
Now which dollar had more value.
First rule of holes is quit digging.
All subsidies and welfare do is devalue the dollar in the redistribution scheme.
The government just taxes you on fuel or some other item or prints more money
the only way is to keep going down .They love diesel as every time they raise that tax they hit every American from a roll of toilet paper to a settin of eggs and none are the wiser. The Ford truck that cost 4k in 1975 now is 40K.
Now which dollar had more value.
Lots of businesses get subsidies besides farms, just about anything that brings jobs into a area gets subsidies. Is it wrong to work at one of those factories since you are benefiting from that subsidies?
Right or wrong, I can't say, but cities and states to it to get taxes off the workers while the corporations get tax breaks. One here in our small town closed their doors when the tax breaks were up and left 800 people without a job. Tax subsidies for a plant costing over a billon dollars to make solar semiconductors wasted a lot of money.
Right or wrong, I can't say, but cities and states to it to get taxes off the workers while the corporations get tax breaks. One here in our small town closed their doors when the tax breaks were up and left 800 people without a job. Tax subsidies for a plant costing over a billon dollars to make solar semiconductors wasted a lot of money.
Caustic Burno
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tom4018":3iiw37d8 said:
That is wrong as well in my book.
I don't want my tax dollar subsidizing them as well.
Shouldn't be a tax break either, flat tax that is it.
As far as taxing corporations that is just another tax on the people.
For some reason most American can not grasp that when they say tax the corporation
they are raising their taxes.
Corporations do not pay taxes they collect them from the consumer.
highgrit
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Your right the end user is the one who bears the burden. A flat tax would be fair.[/quote][/quote]
Yes the consumer pays the tax. Our tax system is a joke, but it hurts to much to laugh. For a flat tax to be fair everyone needs to pay. No loop holes for anyone, the rich or the poor.
Yes the consumer pays the tax. Our tax system is a joke, but it hurts to much to laugh. For a flat tax to be fair everyone needs to pay. No loop holes for anyone, the rich or the poor.
[/quote]highgrit":1yyr7735 said:
Yes the consumer pays the tax. Our tax system is a joke, but it hurts to much to laugh. For a flat tax to be fair everyone needs to pay. No loop holes for anyone, the rich or the poor.[/quote]
I agree but it will never happen, too many people want it the way it is. I think there should be a small flat tax on what you make and a small flat tax on anything you buy, so it would it everyone and paying people cash would be useless in avoiding all the tax.
Caustic Burno
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[/quote]highgrit":38mhpa1z said:
Yes the consumer pays the tax. Our tax system is a joke, but it hurts to much to laugh. For a flat tax to be fair everyone needs to pay. No loop holes for anyone, the rich or the poor.[/quote]
I agree that is the only way to make it fair.
Second positive of this is the tax code would be about a paragraph long.
We wouldn't have to pay 100 thousand government workers at the IRS as well.
You just want to get a case of the red ass look at your phone bill and how many
taxes are in it. Then move over to fuel and this list keeps going and going.
The government is taxing us to death and no one sees the shell game as long as they
think they are getting a slice of the pie.
backhoeboogie
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Caustic Burno":49u8vdtj said:
You done stirred me up.
They gave us all 911 street addresses. Route 3, Box BR549 went out the door.
So the phone companies now make you pay city taxes, even tho you don't live in the city. No kidding. Their argument is, "We have no way of knowing."
Outside the city limits. The whole county does not get city water, sewer, or parking in public streets. But we get to pay taxes as if we do.
I don't think any city is complaining.
Caustic Burno
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backhoeboogie":1a6bq4yx said:
Again the masses have no clue to the taxes they are paying.
There is extra county taxes in there is well.
The real joke is the 911 address if you call it takes 30 minutes to give the dispatcher instructions to your place.
You have a 911 incident where I live you better be able to defend yourself or get to the ER on your own.
Read today that the immigration amnesty will allow the immigrants to go back 4 years, and claim the earned income tax credit. Could be equal to $24,000 per person. I did atleast spend my drought assistance money on hay.
Caustic Burno
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tom4018":3n1ryimc said:
Yes the consumer pays the tax. Our tax system is a joke, but it hurts to much to laugh. For a flat tax to be fair everyone needs to pay. No loop holes for anyone, the rich or the poor.[/quote]
I agree but it will never happen, too many people want it the way it is. I think there should be a small flat tax on what you make and a small flat tax on anything you buy, so it would it everyone and paying people cash would be useless in avoiding all the tax.[/quote]
The way to make the system really work and this will never happen by the way.
Is do away with all property and income tax period. You have a sales tax that
is it. It would sure mare the government look differently at the people it was supplying food and housing.
If you don't buy anything you don't pay any.
Caustic Burno
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Bigfoot":nf4ollgj said:
I understand the system is screwed up.
Lots of people here went belly up or sold off as much as 70% of their herd in 2011.
I was one of them that sold off most.
There was no line to get in for money to buy 100 dollar a roll hay.
Now why should you have an advantage over some one else in another region of the country
doing the same thing.
B&M Farms
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I agree but it will never happen, too many people want it the way it is. I think there should be a small flat tax on what you make and a small flat tax on anything you buy, so it would it everyone and paying people cash would be useless in avoiding all the tax.[/quote]Caustic Burno":ypoyriwc said:
The way to make the system really work and this will never happen by the way.
Is do away with all property and income tax period. You have a sales tax that
is it. It would sure mare the government look differently at the people it was supplying food and housing.
If you don't buy anything you don't pay any.[/quote]
I agree with you CB. A federal sales tax would be fair and the only tax needed. If you buy a Chevy you pay taxes for a Chevy and if you by a Mercedes you pay taxes for the Mercedes. The wealthy would still pay more taxes because they spend more but it should be the same percentage of income for everyone, even the illegals that buy things here. With an income tax, they do not pay taxes.
Taxing corporations the way it is now is double taxing in my opinion. Shareholders should get taxed on capital gains and that is it. With a sales tax, you could tax the corporation on purchases and leave the capital gains alone. It would be easier.
highgrit
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The way I see it is, our tax system is to complicated and not fair for all. Sure be nice if all the tourist paid a little something to this country also. If some of the high rollers in this country wanted a flat tax we would have one. But the big dogs couldn't skip out on paying their fair share. The middle class gets hammered when it comes to paying taxes in the US of A.
Caustic Burno":2cf9ukkd said:
Texas got the same drought assistance as other states, it is all under the 2014 Farm Bill. Granted Texas did bear it a lot worse but the way I understood it payments were based on the severity of the drought.
Caustic Burno
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Tom that 2014 bill was three years to late.
Don't need hay for imaginary cows.
Don't need hay for imaginary cows.
highgrit":3ak7a51x said:
Yes it is, just like the Amish in our area sure use the roads but don't pay many taxes to help support them.
I think the idea of a flat sales tax like CB mentioned would get a lot of people paying that don't pay any. That way the more you spend the more you pay, I do think a small percentage withheld from income would also help even the playing field by avoiding lots of cash transactions under the table in sales from avoiding any tax. Trouble is no matter the system someone is going to try to beat it. I guess I am one of the bad guys though as I have participated in the state program, here which is not tax funded but actually skims some of the money for the general fund and have taken FSA programs when available.
