I really do appreciate all honesty on the board. Personally, I love the look of a good Brangus or Angus bull. The calves, believe it or not, brought good money out of this bull. They were both weaned early as not to bring down two heifers too much. One weighed 410 and brought 1.49/lb. The other weighted 295 and brought 1.83/lb Honestly, when I saw the bull the day I took this picture, I thought he looked rough too. I was just down on the place this weekend, and the bull was looking much better. As soon as I get back to my home computer, I'll upload more pictures of the cows. I can tell you now, these aren't $1200-$1300 cows, but I think they're going to give me the calves I need to start a beef operation slowly. I have a grey brahman crossed heifer that'll eat out my hands (whether that's good or bad).