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I just heard them say that "safe local food" ISSUE 2 would have the EPA, Humane Society, & others involved in our raising food? I have 20 chickens and I sell the eggs to friends that asked me if I had extra for them to buy. My chickens are free-range, in a fenced-in area. Does that mean that my barn and land are subject to government inspection? WTHeck!!
My "knee-jerk reaction" is this: I cannot see ISSUE 2 being good for farmers (already strained to the max) and, let alone, the homesteads and small-scale farmers. More restrictions and fees cannot be good. My father was a dairy farmer and they made rules/laws that they could not use milk cans to store their milk in anymore and had to buy milk tanks. It broke more than a few farmers because the milk house had to be just so big for clearance around the tank. If not, they had to build a new milk house. Add that to the new machinery they had to purchase for the tanks, and some small farmers couldn't make it.
Don't they understand, No Farmers - No Food. Why do these people in government keep straining the farmer until he/she has to give it up? Because the "California Cow" isn't necessarily a "happy cow" mine has room to run and jump and eat grass and leaves; lay down all day in the grass if she wants to; roam the property and sniff the chickens through the fence; check out the goats & cats and plays with them when she wants to. She is not filed in and out of a milking barn that runs cows in and out to milk 24 hours a day because they have so many. No over-crowding. Is that humane? How about the chickens that live in a cage for their entire life? The only food they get is in the form of liquid loaded with the vitamins/minerals and dies to color their yolks; and never got to pick and eat bugs; eat small toads; chase leaves blowing in the wind cause they think they are "alive" (just because they're stupid); dig holes in the dirt and take dust baths on sunny days; eat corn, oats, and real grains that make their yolks really yellow. With shells so thick, you have to hit them a little harder to crack them.
Quote: "Ohio Farm Bureau, Ohio Manufacturers' Association, Ohio Horsemen's Council, Ohio Grocers Association, Ohio Dairy Producers Association, Ohio Corn Growers Association, Ohio Club Lamb Association, Ohio Chamber of Commerce, Ohio Wheat Growers Association, Ohio Fish Producers Association, Ohio Cattlemen's Association, Ohio Pork Producers Council, Ohio Poultry Association, Ohio Soybean Association, and Ohio Association of Meat Processors" Did they read the bill? There has to be another way to protect Ohio farmers from PETA without involving the EPA and humane society....it's all the same! Sounds Hinky to me.
Quote: "Out-of-state activist groups (PETA and The American Humane Society) have signaled they would like to bring an initiative to Ohio that would set rigid, inflexible and impractical rules for how livestock and poultry are housed. This would lead to higher costs for consumers, put food safety at risk, increase the amount of food imported to Ohio, cause thousands of farmers to go out of business, and endanger the overall health and well-being of Ohio's flocks and herds"
Can't we keep the activist groups off of our property better than we can a panel we vote in?? Can't we vote down the initiative that PETA brings to Ohio rather than creating a governmental body called the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board and giving them the authority to come on our lands? Isn't there a better way? The "American Humane Society AND PETA" would bring this initiative to Ohio? So why let the local Humane Society (who are on this panel) have the same authority? I am confused about this issue to a small degree, but I just don't believe in big government; and this is making government bigger.
I have a homestead and do not want my 5 acres subject to anyone just coming on my property. There are no complaints against me, or the way I raise my animals; and many friends and family come to visit. I invite them to the barn and am proud of our place and often (just to be nice), they agree to go on yet another tour of the place with me.
Maybe farm life isn't for everyone, but the next time you're in the store for a dozen eggs, gallon of milk, pack of hamburger, really take a minute out of your busy day and think of where it comes from. If the government runs all the farms, they can also set all the prices. No competition means higher prices. Higher taxes and regulations on farmers means higher prices. I plan on calling my farmer friend up the road and getting his opinion on this issue. He has a way bigger farm than I do and I appreciate his opinion. If the Ohio Farm Bureau endorses this issue, maybe I need to rethink our membership. I was told the OFB lobbies for the farmer.
I didn't believe in the Ohio smoking ban because it gave government more authority over our personal decisions and would open the door to more government control; and they voted it in without a DEFINED plan. They didn't even know what the laws were. The people of Ohio voted it in laws that were not defined!
You know, my oldest learned something from one of his high school teachers that he used on me (ashamed to say) a lot and this situation reminds me of how he used to manipulate me. He would ask for $10-I would say no, he would ask for $5-I would say no, He would ask for $1-would agree to that. When that was all he wanted to begin with. I figured out what he was doing, he knew I would not give him a lot of money, but if he started high, I would agree to a lesser amount because that was not as bad. When I finally caught on, refused to give him any more money; I would buy what he needed but would not give him his own money. Seems similar here. PETA is coming-I don’t want PETA; EPA is coming-Ok, that's not as bad
Can anyone translate this issue into simple english for me and answer a few questions about it? I have posted this on several sites and have not gotten a clear answer to it. I read on the link above the 2 sides but they seem like the same side to me. Like 1) do it; and, 2) don't not do it
I just heard them say that "safe local food" ISSUE 2 would have the EPA, Humane Society, & others involved in our raising food? I have 20 chickens and I sell the eggs to friends that asked me if I had extra for them to buy. My chickens are free-range, in a fenced-in area. Does that mean that my barn and land are subject to government inspection? WTHeck!!
My "knee-jerk reaction" is this: I cannot see ISSUE 2 being good for farmers (already strained to the max) and, let alone, the homesteads and small-scale farmers. More restrictions and fees cannot be good. My father was a dairy farmer and they made rules/laws that they could not use milk cans to store their milk in anymore and had to buy milk tanks. It broke more than a few farmers because the milk house had to be just so big for clearance around the tank. If not, they had to build a new milk house. Add that to the new machinery they had to purchase for the tanks, and some small farmers couldn't make it.
Don't they understand, No Farmers - No Food. Why do these people in government keep straining the farmer until he/she has to give it up? Because the "California Cow" isn't necessarily a "happy cow" mine has room to run and jump and eat grass and leaves; lay down all day in the grass if she wants to; roam the property and sniff the chickens through the fence; check out the goats & cats and plays with them when she wants to. She is not filed in and out of a milking barn that runs cows in and out to milk 24 hours a day because they have so many. No over-crowding. Is that humane? How about the chickens that live in a cage for their entire life? The only food they get is in the form of liquid loaded with the vitamins/minerals and dies to color their yolks; and never got to pick and eat bugs; eat small toads; chase leaves blowing in the wind cause they think they are "alive" (just because they're stupid); dig holes in the dirt and take dust baths on sunny days; eat corn, oats, and real grains that make their yolks really yellow. With shells so thick, you have to hit them a little harder to crack them.
Quote: "Ohio Farm Bureau, Ohio Manufacturers' Association, Ohio Horsemen's Council, Ohio Grocers Association, Ohio Dairy Producers Association, Ohio Corn Growers Association, Ohio Club Lamb Association, Ohio Chamber of Commerce, Ohio Wheat Growers Association, Ohio Fish Producers Association, Ohio Cattlemen's Association, Ohio Pork Producers Council, Ohio Poultry Association, Ohio Soybean Association, and Ohio Association of Meat Processors" Did they read the bill? There has to be another way to protect Ohio farmers from PETA without involving the EPA and humane society....it's all the same! Sounds Hinky to me.
Quote: "Out-of-state activist groups (PETA and The American Humane Society) have signaled they would like to bring an initiative to Ohio that would set rigid, inflexible and impractical rules for how livestock and poultry are housed. This would lead to higher costs for consumers, put food safety at risk, increase the amount of food imported to Ohio, cause thousands of farmers to go out of business, and endanger the overall health and well-being of Ohio's flocks and herds"
Can't we keep the activist groups off of our property better than we can a panel we vote in?? Can't we vote down the initiative that PETA brings to Ohio rather than creating a governmental body called the Ohio Livestock Care Standards Board and giving them the authority to come on our lands? Isn't there a better way? The "American Humane Society AND PETA" would bring this initiative to Ohio? So why let the local Humane Society (who are on this panel) have the same authority? I am confused about this issue to a small degree, but I just don't believe in big government; and this is making government bigger.
I have a homestead and do not want my 5 acres subject to anyone just coming on my property. There are no complaints against me, or the way I raise my animals; and many friends and family come to visit. I invite them to the barn and am proud of our place and often (just to be nice), they agree to go on yet another tour of the place with me.
Maybe farm life isn't for everyone, but the next time you're in the store for a dozen eggs, gallon of milk, pack of hamburger, really take a minute out of your busy day and think of where it comes from. If the government runs all the farms, they can also set all the prices. No competition means higher prices. Higher taxes and regulations on farmers means higher prices. I plan on calling my farmer friend up the road and getting his opinion on this issue. He has a way bigger farm than I do and I appreciate his opinion. If the Ohio Farm Bureau endorses this issue, maybe I need to rethink our membership. I was told the OFB lobbies for the farmer.
I didn't believe in the Ohio smoking ban because it gave government more authority over our personal decisions and would open the door to more government control; and they voted it in without a DEFINED plan. They didn't even know what the laws were. The people of Ohio voted it in laws that were not defined!
You know, my oldest learned something from one of his high school teachers that he used on me (ashamed to say) a lot and this situation reminds me of how he used to manipulate me. He would ask for $10-I would say no, he would ask for $5-I would say no, He would ask for $1-would agree to that. When that was all he wanted to begin with. I figured out what he was doing, he knew I would not give him a lot of money, but if he started high, I would agree to a lesser amount because that was not as bad. When I finally caught on, refused to give him any more money; I would buy what he needed but would not give him his own money. Seems similar here. PETA is coming-I don’t want PETA; EPA is coming-Ok, that's not as bad
Can anyone translate this issue into simple english for me and answer a few questions about it? I have posted this on several sites and have not gotten a clear answer to it. I read on the link above the 2 sides but they seem like the same side to me. Like 1) do it; and, 2) don't not do it
