now they want to take away ALL OTC tetracycline. (LA200,etc)

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OTC tetracycline is the next target for VFD.

Food /water tetracycline was down 70% after the VFD.

VET / CLIENT RELATIONSHIPS WAY WAY UP.


Now.. all OTC tetracycline will be required to have a prescription!!! Thats what they are working on.

WHY?? IS this being misused? Are we running around catching cows to hop them up on some LA200 just for fun and giggles??

I Have NEVER met a producer who gives medication for no reason.


TO ME.. This is unfolding a nice story about putting more money in the vets pocket.
 

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It's only the beginning, it's very apparent to me we can't manage ourselves. Some folks on here think that the more you can vaccinate the better management you have, I see it as exactly the opposite. I'm not sold on the idea that it's the vet's that want all these regulations. Maybe the small animal vet's are in it for the money.
 

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I try not to be cynical,but I'm starting to think all of our rights will soon be eroded under the disguise of safety. In due time, we will all work for the machine. Everything will be regulated.
 
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Bigfoot":2v3hli2o said:
I try not to be cynical,but I'm starting to think all of our rights will soon be eroded under the disguise of safety. In due time, we will all work for the machine. Everything will be regulated.


all of your money will go to taxes and regulations to provide you with safety and security :nod:


socialist way. this is the way we're headed.
 

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I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.
 

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Bright Raven":3ivhp8tv said:
I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.
 

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True Grit Farms":3vpz4krx said:
Bright Raven":3vpz4krx said:
I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.
And that sir is part of what brings on all these new regulations etc. You won't police your own actions so have to have a babysitter for you.
 

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True Grit Farms":21gkb6me said:
Bright Raven":21gkb6me said:
I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.

True in principle. However, if I go out this morning, and a calf is wheezing. I put her in the sweep and her temperature is 105.4. I will assume a respiratory bacteria is a potential threat and give 1.1 mL of Draxxin per 100 pounds of body weight. Now. There is a better than 50 to 50 chance it is a virus so the antibiotic is useless and may actually be detrimental to the calf's gut flora and fauna. Thus, may have to give a probiotic to get the engine running smooth again.

I agree. It is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Vets face the same issue, however.
 

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TexasBred":3omhr8nf said:
True Grit Farms":3omhr8nf said:
Bright Raven":3omhr8nf said:
I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.
And that sir is part of what brings on all these new regulations etc. You won't police your own actions so have to have a babysitter for you.

I agree 100%, I made a post or thread about screwing up just to pass it along. Always call you vet before you give any antibiotics. What can it hurt I thought I was helping. :hide: I'm an idiot sometimes, but not scared to admit it.
 

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End of the year, here, and all antibiotics will be from vet, no more at feed store. Just so you know what is coming. Prices aren't much different for me, just a little further to drive and pick up.
 

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Bright Raven":9y2jywu5 said:
True Grit Farms":9y2jywu5 said:
Bright Raven":9y2jywu5 said:
I am not an advocate for making access to vaccines, antibiotics or other medications more difficult. But one only needs to spend a month on this forum to discover the extent to which cattle producers misuse medications.

Personally, I enjoy being able to do conduct my own management practices. I don't see any of these regulations stopping that. Currently, draxxin is by prescription, but it is not a problem going to your large animal vet and getting a bottle. ACKNOWLEDGE: it will cost more under prescription than going to a farm supply.

That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.

True in principle. However, if I go out this morning, and a calf is wheezing. I put her in the sweep and her temperature is 105.4. I will assume a respiratory bacteria is a potential threat and give 1.1 mL of Draxxin per 100 pounds of body weight. Now. There is a better than 50 to 50 chance it is a virus so the antibiotic is useless and may actually be detrimental to the calf's gut flora and fauna. Thus, may have to give a probiotic to get the engine running smooth again.

I agree. It is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Vets face the same issue, however.

That's all true Raven, but calves are no different than people when it comes to sickness. Some days I just feel off, but I don't go to the doctor and get a shot.
 

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This is a great subject. Every beef group has this same discussion.

Small producers benefit from a system that allows them to conduct routine veterinarian practices. It essentially becomes an issue of economics and convenience. Especially, for the average Kentucky producer who has 20 cows and works off the farm.
 

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True Grit Farms":35m7y393 said:
Bright Raven":35m7y393 said:
True Grit Farms":35m7y393 said:
That's exactly what I'm talking about, a bottle? I've bought 3 needles full of some high power antibiotics in the last 10 years from a vet to treat our calves. We used to keep a bottle of Baytryil around but it changed colors and I used it off label and our vet give me heck, so we threw it out.
Seems like, the more you manage your cows, the more management your cows need.

True in principle. However, if I go out this morning, and a calf is wheezing. I put her in the sweep and her temperature is 105.4. I will assume a respiratory bacteria is a potential threat and give 1.1 mL of Draxxin per 100 pounds of body weight. Now. There is a better than 50 to 50 chance it is a virus so the antibiotic is useless and may actually be detrimental to the calf's gut flora and fauna. Thus, may have to give a probiotic to get the engine running smooth again.

I agree. It is dammed if you do and dammed if you don't. Vets face the same issue, however.

That's all true Raven, but calves are no different than people when it comes to sickness. Some days I just feel off, but I don't go to the doctor and get a shot.

Agree
 

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End of the year, here, and all antibiotics will be from vet, no more at feed store. Just so you know what is coming. Prices aren't much different for me, just a little further to drive and pick up.

I was at UGA veterinary meeting Tuesday and two different speakers said the VFD wasn't anything compared to what's coming down the pike.
 

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True Grit Farms":2x2jrcmp said:
Aaron":2x2jrcmp said:
End of the year, here, and all antibiotics will be from vet, no more at feed store. Just so you know what is coming. Prices aren't much different for me, just a little further to drive and pick up.

I was at UGA veterinary meeting Tuesday and two different speakers said the VFD wasn't anything compared to what's coming down the pike.

Agree. VFD is geared to feed. There will be a broader attempt to regulate all manner of medications administered by Producers.
 

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ddd75":278psrtu said:
I Have NEVER met a producer who gives medication for no reason.

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As, similarly, stated already, spend any amount of time on here and you will read of many folks administering LA200 or LA300 or whatever Antibiotic they have on hand, because their cow/calf/bull was looking odd, was a little off, had a cough, blew some snot, was limping, had a lump, etc. without taking taking the time to get a set of vital signs on the animal, such as respiratory rate, heart rate, temperature etc. I have read, many times, where something was given when there was no idea what may have even been wrong. I'm not saying call the vet for every little thing, but what I am saying is that every little thing doesn't necessarily need an antibiotic.

I also think, as someone else stated, that this has more to do with control over how we manage our herds, run our life, than it does concern about the use of Oxytet etc.

I also don't think that this is some big plan by our veterinarians, as the few I have spoken with, view the new VFD as more of a PIA than anything, and that the last thing THEY need is more paperwork & regulations. It will not result in huge financial benefits for them.

And Bigfoot........ pretty much everything IS already regulated, to some degree or another.

This is/will be just one more step closer to vertical integration for the beef industry, as has happened to pork & poultry.

We discussed topics like these, a bunch of years ago, and it is beginning to come to fruition. :???:
 

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There is a broader attempt to regulate all manner of everything in our lives.

Its very rare..but i fixed that for ya GB. :compute:
 

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Workinonit Farm":2e3gtrcs said:
ddd75":2e3gtrcs said:
I Have NEVER met a producer who gives medication for no reason.

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As, similarly, stated already, spend any amount of time on here and you will read of many folks administering LA200 or LA300 or whatever Antibiotic they have on hand, because their cow/calf/bull was looking odd, was a little off, had a cough, blew some snot, was limping, had a lump, etc. without taking taking the time to get a set of vital signs on the animal, such as respiratory rate, heart rate, temperature etc. I have read, many times, where something was given when there was no idea what may have even been wrong. I'm not saying call the vet for every little thing, but what I am saying is that every little thing doesn't necessarily need an antibiotic.

I also think, as someone else stated, that this has more to do with control over how we manage our herds, run our life, than it does concern about the use of Oxytet etc.

I also don't think that this is some big plan by our veterinarians, as the few I have spoken with, view the new VFD as more of a PIA than anything, and that the last thing THEY need is more paperwork & regulations. It will not result in huge financial benefits for them.

And Bigfoot........ pretty much everything IS already regulated, to some degree or another.

This is/will be just one more step closer to vertical integration for the beef industry, as has happened to pork & poultry.

We discussed topics like these, a bunch of years ago, and it is beginning to come to fruition. :???:

Agree completely about the vet perspective. The vet group we use voiced almost exactly that very sentiment in your post.

Its not "big vet", or "big pharmacy" pushing this. Something far more sinister....ignorance. There is a movement in our population that agriculture in general is bad and that all people involved are bad. And we need to be protected from bad things, so who better to protect us than those we trust the most to lead us. Everything about the lifestyle most of us lead who are involved with cattle(regardless of 5 head or 5000) flies in the face of popular culture. Namely; independence, self sufficiency, critical thinking, problem solving, and individualism. One of the last firmly anchored collection of peoples left in this nation. This group bas been directly attacked by social programs, federal and state programs, and essentially every aspect of this way of life has been attacked in a way that makes it infinitely more difficult, less viable, and less self reliant. By design or accident? I dont know for certain. We as producers also have a share of the blame for allowing some of these things to take effect and remain in place, along with being reactive instead of proactive with our product and lifestyle.
 

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Just wait until you will have to pay a vet to inject anything, or give any type of medicine.
Be it a scour pill to a group of sick calves, vaccines, or even pour-on.
It's coming, and there will be nothing we can do about it, until we the farmers take charge, and run the regulators out on a rail.
 

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