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No more PowerStroke, at least not from Navistar
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<blockquote data-quote="DiamondSCattleCo" data-source="post: 619239" data-attributes="member: 2862"><p>Brandon, you'd best take a long hard look at the genuine numbers on engines. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the 7.3 or 6.0 outlived a Cummins, but it certainly isn't in this world. Check with the trades: Cummins engines with a million miles on them FAR outnumber any Powerstroke with 1 million, and Ford sold 10 times as many. Cummins Dodges are extremely difficult to find at wreckers, with the Cummins itself being EXTREMELY rare, while you can find 7.3's in need of rebuilding all over. Even Navistars own numbers echo a high failure rate than Cummins.</p><p></p><p>Edit: Have more opportunity to respond to this message now. When the Navistar 7.3 litre engine first arrived on the scene, it was rated as a 175,000 mile engine. Over the years, this rating has been downgraded to 150,000 miles. This is the MTBF rating or Mean Time Between Failure. Initial ratings are indicated by engineers using appropriate techniques to "guess" at how long an engine will last between failures. As ownership experience is added into the formula, the MTBF ratings will go up or down based on REAL WORLD failure numbers. The Cummins 5.9 was initially rated as a 250,000 mile engine. It has since be UPRATED to 325,000 miles MTBF. What this means is that the Navistar 7.3 experienced a considerable number of failures below 175,000 miles while 5.9 Cummins engines experienced very few failures BELOW 250,000 miles.</p><p></p><p>And Cummins did not "make their mark on the world" with the 5.9L. Cummins was a respected engine builder for DECADES before the 5.9 was even a glimmer in their eye.</p><p></p><p>Rod</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="DiamondSCattleCo, post: 619239, member: 2862"] Brandon, you'd best take a long hard look at the genuine numbers on engines. I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that the 7.3 or 6.0 outlived a Cummins, but it certainly isn't in this world. Check with the trades: Cummins engines with a million miles on them FAR outnumber any Powerstroke with 1 million, and Ford sold 10 times as many. Cummins Dodges are extremely difficult to find at wreckers, with the Cummins itself being EXTREMELY rare, while you can find 7.3's in need of rebuilding all over. Even Navistars own numbers echo a high failure rate than Cummins. Edit: Have more opportunity to respond to this message now. When the Navistar 7.3 litre engine first arrived on the scene, it was rated as a 175,000 mile engine. Over the years, this rating has been downgraded to 150,000 miles. This is the MTBF rating or Mean Time Between Failure. Initial ratings are indicated by engineers using appropriate techniques to "guess" at how long an engine will last between failures. As ownership experience is added into the formula, the MTBF ratings will go up or down based on REAL WORLD failure numbers. The Cummins 5.9 was initially rated as a 250,000 mile engine. It has since be UPRATED to 325,000 miles MTBF. What this means is that the Navistar 7.3 experienced a considerable number of failures below 175,000 miles while 5.9 Cummins engines experienced very few failures BELOW 250,000 miles. And Cummins did not "make their mark on the world" with the 5.9L. Cummins was a respected engine builder for DECADES before the 5.9 was even a glimmer in their eye. Rod [/QUOTE]
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