Embryo calf out of Executive Order and an OBCC Legend cow. Bought a couple bulls from this breeder last year and wanted to buy a full brother to this bull then, but the breeder wanted to keep him for a cleanup.
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WinterSpringsFarm
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Wish he had a little more depth to him, especially in that heart girth area. But other than that I like him!
lithuanian farmer
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Very nice looking bull!
wbvs58
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I think he is nicely proportioned, a lot of length.
Ken
Ken
Pretty excited about him. I like his phenotype and his epds check all the blocks. When I went to look at him in a group of 13-14 other bulls I noticed that he seemed the most standoffish. Not aggressive really but very alert. I was a little worried about his docility especially when I saw that he was in the bottom 90% for this epd. So far though he hasn't given me any issues or concerns. He loaded good and hasn't acted out any when I feed him.
jscunn
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You should be excited. Nice bull.
WinterSpringsFarm
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Lazy M said:
Some of the Executive Order cattle can be a bit high strung/alert.
76 Bar
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Help me translate what "standoffish", "high strung" and "alert" describes.
WinterSpringsFarm
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76 Bar said:
I assume you are being a bit sarcastic here.
In case you are not. See the below definition of high-strung
adjective: high-strung
nervous and easily upset.
"a high-strung racing thoroughbred"
Similar:
nervous
excitable
agitated
temperamental
sensitive
unstable
76 Bar
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Not at all. Dictionary definitions aside, how do you extrapolate those terms into the recognized assorted designations for cattle behavior?
https://simmental.org/site/index.php/disposition-scoring-reporting
Good link. I haven't had this bull in a head gate yet but I'd imagine that he'd score a 3 on that scale. His herdmates would have been 1 or 2's. I have no concern with this bulls individual docility but his offspring may be worse when combined with a few of my wild cows.76 Bar said:
I've got some of every score on that page. Luckily more 1 & 2s than 5s and 6s.
76 Bar
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Glad you appreciated the link. I'm not convinced that chute behavior should be the gold standard for disposition scoring but its a starting point. When possible observing behavior of bulls at their point of origin and/or their sales venue /videos is usually more enlightening. Bare in mind as a young bull his docility EPD is yet to be proven and wether or not he can leave progeny that mitigates your admittedly less than kindly dispositions is a crap shoot. He's nonetheless a handsome guy. Good luck!
76 Bar
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LazyM thought you might find the following regarding disposition evaluations helpful as well.
https://www.grandin.com/behaviour/principles/assessment.temperament.html
https://www.pharocattle.com/wp-content/uploads/html/Spring-Catalog-2016/pg13.htm
If I'm not mistaken the original link I posted was the result of research originally published by BIF years ago and adopted by numerous breed associations who recognized docility issues were inherent in their respective breeds and made an attempt to rectify the problem by providing breeder's an opportunity to select for calmer/more bidable genetics. Goes without saying, even gentle can be made incorrigible by poor handling. 8)
https://www.grandin.com/behaviour/principles/assessment.temperament.html
https://www.pharocattle.com/wp-content/uploads/html/Spring-Catalog-2016/pg13.htm
If I'm not mistaken the original link I posted was the result of research originally published by BIF years ago and adopted by numerous breed associations who recognized docility issues were inherent in their respective breeds and made an attempt to rectify the problem by providing breeder's an opportunity to select for calmer/more bidable genetics. Goes without saying, even gentle can be made incorrigible by poor handling. 8)
TwoByrdsMG
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76 Bar said:
Very interesting link!
I looked back on ours when compared to this. Lots of 2s and 3s. A couple 1s. We eat or ship all the 4, 5 and 6s :nod:
