New born with problems------- Pics

[torogmc81]

As has been typical, your reasoning is flawed, and without logic.
In monogastrics, sulfur is essentially inert. Baby calves are monogastrics, with no rumen function.
Even IF the dam were consuming enough excessive S - or excessive grain, both of which can precipitate polioencephalomalacia - and you've NOT demonstrated that the dam of this calf was affected - any S that MIGHT be passing to this calf will have no detrimental effect.

The 'polio-like' deal in CA children is a viral poliomyelitis, and has no connection whatsoever to polioenceophalomalacia in cattle, much less any association with what may or may not have been fed to the cattle that may or may not have produced beef that these affected children may or may not have consumed.
The associations that you're attempting to draw are no more plausible than saying that because cattle sometimes die of blackleg, that teenagers develop blackheads(comedones, plugged pores, zits) as a result of eating beef - and are at risk of dying.

YEA . . . What he said !!

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[NCLiz 3]

As expected, here comes the government's attempt at a cover up.
" NOT DULY ALARMED " ? Try telling that to the parents of the children who have been paralyzed for life!!

CDC is 'not unduly alarmed' by cases of a polio-like illness in California
February 27, 2014

As AFP is not a notifiable disease in the U.S., it is unclear how many cases occur typically. However, countries that perform regular surveillance find there is one case per 100,000 children aged under 15 years old every year. By applying this rate to California--which has 8 million kids in the age demographic--CDC predicts the state could suffer 80 cases of AFP a year. "Within that context, the number of cases we're aware of is not a cause for public concern," CDC viral disease expert Jane Seward told The Washington Post.

http://www.fiercevaccines.com/story/cdc ... 2014-02-27

 

[OakCreekRanch]

It's so baffling that how could someone don't give a fork about that poor calf or his/her neighbor's loss but insists to talking about the Polio subject.

 

[NCLiz 3]

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It's so baffling that how could someone don't give a fork about that poor calf or his/her neighbor's loss but insists to talking about the Polio subject.

Now that's a low blow and totally uncalled for!!
No body cares more for cattle than SL weather they are his own, his neighbors or yours.
Any body that can put up with all the BS he has taken on this board deserves better than that.
He has spent over $20, 000 of his own money and 5 years of his time trying to find out why so many cattle have been dying in our area.

FYI, in case you haven't been paying attention: Polioencephalomalacia (PEM) AKA Polio is where his investigation has lead him.
Hopefully CDC will prove him wrong or if he is right, they don't just try to sweep it under the carpet and let it continue.
Liz

 

[Taurus]

The calf could died from other causes other than the Polioencephalomalacia...

 

[sim.-ang.king]

So where's the lab report on why this calf died?

 

[Taurus]

So where's the lab report on why this calf died?

+1

 

[NCLiz 3]

So where's the lab report on why this calf died?

I don't expect one, as the owner is probably not going to have a necropsy done.
Like most of you, he is still in denial and is probably just going to write it off as "chit happens ".

About an hour ago a Knock came at the door by an unknown person and SL was told a cow had been down for over 2 hrs. and was having trouble calving, he thought.

SL took SSGenetics advise and just called the cow's owner hired help.
Liz

 

[mwj]

Re:

It's so baffling that how could someone don't give a fork about that poor calf or his/her neighbor's loss but insists to talking about the Polio subject.

Now that's a low blow and totally uncalled for!!
No body cares more for cattle than SL weather they are his own, his neighbors or yours.
Any body that can put up with all the BS he has taken on this board deserves better than that.
He has spent over $20, 000 of his own money and 5 years of his time trying to find out why so many cattle have been dying in our area.

FYI, in case you haven't been paying attention: Polioencephalomalacia (PEM) AKA Polio is where his investigation has lead him.
Hopefully CDC will prove him wrong or if he is right, they don't just try to sweep it under the carpet and let it continue.
Liz

If he spent $20,000 in 5 years on this he should have a little better grasp of the subject. If he is spending this kind of money and had a suspect die next door why was the calf not sent to the lab for an exam? Something does not sound kosher!

 

[NCLiz 3]

why was the calf not sent to the lab for an exam?

The calf belonged to our neighbor. What he did with it was up to him.
SL was just asked to give his opinion. Which he did.
What's so hard to understand about that!
We have had a necropsy on 4 of our own calves done and all 4 reports were useless.
I know the owner had at least one done and it too was useless. So I can see why he wouldn't waste any more money on this one.
We have 5 now that SL is about to dispatch and we are not going to waste our money on more necropsy's either.

Liz

 

[sim.-ang.king]

Lab reports were useless? What did they not come back like you wanted them to?
Your lab must be starving for money if it took 20k for 4 test.

 

[mwj]

Lab reports were useless? What did they not come back like you wanted them to?
Your lab must be starving for money if it took 20k for 4 test.

We do live in the ''sucker'' state!!! It does sound very odd that the ''science'' part of research is always worthless when it is first hand. What was 20 grand spent on if 4 calves were to expensive to post. I think if the problems were that bad in my area I would get out of the business. In the last 5 years you should be able to find a few people that are on the same page if the problem is widespread.