Need opinions!

[Double R Ranch]

She looks more QH than a lot of QH's I have seen, I don't see anything that looks draft. But then again what does a QH look like? They can be 3/4 TB, they can be a Paint. Compare the looks of a western or english pleasure QH to a cutting horse. Does not really matter if she is full QH or not as long as she does what you need her to do.

I am curious to why you had her hobbled in the one pic, wasn't she tied? i may have missed that.

Good luck with her,
Alan

Thanks Alan,
It doesn't matter to me if she is "full" qtr horse. The main reason I posted this is because i am getting so much crap for the "rescued qtrhorse" that I got duped on. I felt I knew what I was looking at. I saw potential and here almost a year later I am still getting harrassed about my "draft horse". This by a vet who specializes in eventing horses and is a reproductive specialist in equines.
No. She wasn't hobbled in those photos. We hobble break all our ranch horses and when those photos were taken she was already hobble broke. Those pics were supposed to be just for me. I had bathed her, trimmed her feet and started training her main to one side that day. When we got her we had to clip her main very short due to many bald spots.
Those "hobbles" are for training purposes. She paws when tied up, even when hobbled. So in order to break the habbit by her own duing we put those seperated hobbles (sometimes dog collars) with chains hanging. Every time she paws the chain pops her in the legs. The harder she paws the harder the chain hits. It is very affective for stopping pawing. Best of all she trains herself. It is a bad habbit to have and the earlier we stop it the better rounded the horse is. Especially if this horse ends up being sold because she doesn't work out for ranch work.
Thanks for your comments and questions,
Take care,
Double R

 

[Double R Ranch]

That's wonderful about the old cart pony specilly. can you get /post photos?

I really think your vet is just teasing you..Tell them all their jelous of your good luck at getting such a nice horse
As to the foot handling--Get a long soft rope,pass it around a leg--May even let the pony step over the rope-GENTELY pull the rope,let it rest on the leg,quitely,softly increase the pressure until the foot is off the ground.Do all 4 legs-take time-do this every day or so.Pull the foot forward and back.This well help despook her,and may save her life if she's ever caught in a fence.

That is good advice.
The reason we handled it the way we did was because when we got her, her feet were is such bad condition it was urgent to get them trimmed. We did try the rope techniqe but she lashed out so badly that she almost put me in the hospitol. She was big already when we got her. She ended up on the ground so we just kept her there and gave a quick trim. After that she needed more done quickly so I sedated her mildly and she stood well considering and we got her out of hoof danger.
This was actually interesting. While walking her threw our fields when we first got her every time tar weeds touched her legs she stomped and kicked violently. There doesn't appear to be any damage to her legs or hoof wall suggesting a tie up of somekind. Even the vet had no explination other than no handling when she was younger.
She stands now for trimming very well. Our problem lied in the first few weeks. We didn't have the time to wait on "training" to get her trimmed. It needed to be done urgently. Then we worked with her to get them "pretty" and normal.
Thanks for the comments!
Double R
oh and by the way the vet is serious! Dead serious! I know when she's joking. She told me i made a mistake the moment she saw her.

 

[Double R Ranch]

Just FYI
Incase anyone notice the brand on her hip in the pictures let me explain. That is our brand. We ponied her in our local towns parade and we used a stencil to put red white and blue glitter design of our brand. The adhesive we used seems to really stick. It feels like it is gone but as you can see there is still a difference in her coat showing our brand. It stayed in my geldings mane for quite a while also. Was on there hooves until I sanded it off 6 weeks after the parade. Guess that is some strong stuff!

Double R

 

[chrisy]

As long as the glue doesn't burn the skin it would be OK.....Got the baby back to the stables yesterday, we haven't come up with a name yet, I hear he has had a good night, stable maid stayed with him all night we will have to put our foot down as he will be spoilt otherwise, all though he is a cutie. I will go see him this afternoon. He is a long way off of showing yet, as he is only 4 months old, he hopefully will go into the yearling section at the shows in June. A bit of work to do with him but he already seems to know how to stand for show, suppose that's what comes with good breeding. His back needs to strenghten so he can't do to much, as we don't want him to get a sway back. Little by little and I think he will be a good buy.

 

[peg4x4]

The kicking when weeds touched her----I'll bet she was born in a dry lot and there she stayed,never saw,never had anything touch her.Had one like that. I'd work her in a weed patch for a while.. as to the rope,you didn't have a long enough rope!! Need about 40 foot or more..Go slow,this is one of those things that will pay off later in her life..She won't get any smaller,so do the hard work now..


Crissy,he's a beauty :heart: !!! Please keep me updated,with lots of photos..

 

[Alan]

She looks more QH than a lot of QH's I have seen, I don't see anything that looks draft. But then again what does a QH look like? They can be 3/4 TB, they can be a Paint. Compare the looks of a western or english pleasure QH to a cutting horse. Does not really matter if she is full QH or not as long as she does what you need her to do.

I am curious to why you had her hobbled in the one pic, wasn't she tied? i may have missed that.

Good luck with her,
Alan

Thanks Alan,
It doesn't matter to me if she is "full" qtr horse. The main reason I posted this is because i am getting so much crap for the "rescued qtrhorse" that I got duped on. I felt I knew what I was looking at. I saw potential and here almost a year later I am still getting harrassed about my "draft horse". This by a vet who specializes in eventing horses and is a reproductive specialist in equines.
No. She wasn't hobbled in those photos. We hobble break all our ranch horses and when those photos were taken she was already hobble broke. Those pics were supposed to be just for me. I had bathed her, trimmed her feet and started training her main to one side that day. When we got her we had to clip her main very short due to many bald spots.
Those "hobbles" are for training purposes. She paws when tied up, even when hobbled. So in order to break the habbit by her own duing we put those seperated hobbles (sometimes dog collars) with chains hanging. Every time she paws the chain pops her in the legs. The harder she paws the harder the chain hits. It is very affective for stopping pawing. Best of all she trains herself. It is a bad habbit to have and the earlier we stop it the better rounded the horse is. Especially if this horse ends up being sold because she doesn't work out for ranch work.
Thanks for your comments and questions,
Take care,
Double R

Thanks or the response, I wouldn't put too much thought in what the Vet says about being a draft cross or draft like horse.... Just because someone can pass a test or handle school does not make them a good Vet in the real world. If you want, you should ask the Vet to point out exactly what makes the horse look like a draft horse. Being a "eventing " Vet you may need to smack him in the head with a wine bottle and stuff the cheese up his.... ah, in his mouth . There are many good reproduction specialist out there. Your horse looks to be Quarter Horse, what ever that means... I'll try to explain that point better in a later post.

I have used hobbles before as well as kick chains I just thought it was interesting to she her tied and hobbled.

ALan

 

[Double R Ranch]

As long as the glue doesn't burn the skin it would be OK.....Got the baby back to the stables yesterday, we haven't come up with a name yet, I hear he has had a good night, stable maid stayed with him all night we will have to put our foot down as he will be spoilt otherwise, all though he is a cutie. I will go see him this afternoon. He is a long way off of showing yet, as he is only 4 months old, he hopefully will go into the yearling section at the shows in June. A bit of work to do with him but he already seems to know how to stand for show, suppose that's what comes with good breeding. His back needs to strenghten so he can't do to much, as we don't want him to get a sway back. Little by little and I think he will be a good buy.

oh the glue was a glue that many people have used on horses around here. Its just funny. No worries.
Congrats on getting the big man home! I agree. Just from his picture you are going to have a very hard time keeping him from getting spoiled! Please keep us posted. Would love to hear more about him.
Double R

 

[Double R Ranch]

I have used hobbles before as well as kick chains I just thought it was interesting to she her tied and hobbled.
ALan

Yep strickly training. She doesn't paw when not tied up. We hobble break them when working out in the fields although my gelding has figured out how to take of with them on the little turd. Oh well. Teaches them to no panic when somethings is around there legs. Especially my rope when i screw up and miss a cow.
Double R

 

[peg4x4]

Could you please have her tested for HYPP? As you have no idea of her bloodlines it might be wise to test for this.. Many 10/12 year old horses "normal" have had their first seazeur(sp) at that age with really really bad results. There is a test for this syndrom..It comes from "Impressive" and idjuts who are breeding positive horses.

 

[chippie]

She is a very attractive filly. You have done an awesome job rehabilitating her.
We've owned and bred drafts and draft crossbreds for over 24 years. I would ask the vet what he sees that makes him think that she is part draft. It may be her head. The profile looks a bit drafty. We have had QH x drafts that look just like a quarter horse. Not all draft breeds have feathers. It depends on which horse is dominate. People cross draft stallions on light mares to get a non-drafty looking bigger saddle horse.

I haven't read all of the replies to your post and if I am repeating someone, I apologize. I have a suggestion. Move your saddle back about 4 inches or so and lose the breast collar. It is sitting too far forward on her withers and you can sore her. A good way to get the saddle in the correct spot is to saddle her, do not tighten the girth, leave it loose enough that you can slip you hand in easily and that the saddle can move. Back her up 5 or 6 steps, walk forward, back up again and walk forward. The movement of her shoulders will push the saddle into the correct position.

I second the advice to get her tested for HYPP. Since you do not know her ancestry, the test is worth the peace of mind. You can order it from:

http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/horse.php

Info about HYPP http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/hypp.php

 

[S&WSigma40VEShooter]

Very nice filly,you've don a good job.. She has no papers,is what you want,so what difference what breed/type she is? Ask Vet what he/she sees that looks draft to him/her.. I can't see it myself,but QH came from many types of horses,draft included.

Thank you for your response. I really do like her. I am not sorry that we rescued her. She has no papers as her mother was taken off a slaughter loading dock. Three days later this filly was born. The rescue group had the right intentions but she was neglected.
For one the breed "matters" because of curiousity and if she is draft she might not be right for ranch work. Meaning to big and that sort of thing. That is what I got her for though is to move cows. She was a lot younger than I was looking for but it was the right thing to do and she doesn't need papers or fancy named breeding to work cows. I got lucky I feel that she is cowy. Also the vet is a friend and i get non stop crap about getting a draft.
The rescue she came from had her listed as full qtrhorse. Grow to about 15 to 15 1/2 hands high. Not ever really carring about hight im assuming that isn't very big.
Pretty much the vet is just set that she looks draft. Says her legs look draft, which I haven't seen anything in my opinion that looks drafty. Her eye's might be the only thing I could say might (a far stretch) be drafty. She has very soft small eyes. No feathering on her legs either. Smaller bone than I would expect from a draft also.
Thats good to know about qh's having draft in them along the line. Thanks for the help/info/opinion. I raise and train my own ranch horses. Most all have been rescues. I don't care much about anything in perticular as long as they can physically work. I keep all my ranch horses until the end. I got her to "replace" one of my now retired horses.

At one point you say you have been around quarter horses all your life and yet then you post you dont know whether 15 to 15 1/2 hands is a big horse or not. I have not been around them all my life but know that its a good sized horse.

 

[Double R Ranch]

First off let me start by saying thanks to all who have shown such and interest in our filly. I have updated her page to show her baby photo's as well as from the rescue group and beyond. There are a bunch of pictures (new) so if your interested please take a peak at her page again at http://www.doublerranchca.com/Family%20Pics.htm
Second I will look into this test as I don't know anything about it. I would love some more opinions if you all have any new ones with the new pictures ive posted. She is a handful but a sweet filly. She has had a lot of problems none of which I feel are because of her personally. She truly had no start and no handling prior to us getting her and I feel that she has truly tried.
All imput is welcome and appreciated. Including training advice.
That saddle is strictly a light saddle that does not fit her at all. Neither does the pads. It was put on for the feel. The way the saddle fits her it doesn't sit back that far. Probably cause it's very old and warped. Thats why I use it as the first saddlings which only last a few minutes because of how young she is. Plus if it gets ruined im not out a lot. It is great advise and not many know how to fit a saddle. A topic I think should be discussed more often in life. Especally regular size and weight saddles with riders.
We won't be starting her with a rider until she is two and a half atleast depending on the vets approval of her legs/growth plates. We do start round penning lightly at an early age as you will see in the new photo's.
Thanks again to all who have written. We really like this filly and am glad that we could be the ones to bring her along. Take care and enjoy. Oh and I finally measured her. Its on the site to.
Double R

 

[peg4x4]

I think I was right about raised on dirt--shame you couldn't get mom,cause "Candy" has a lot of cow! Can you go back and get her? A bit of dective bloodwork and you'd be able to find her papers(bet you she has papers!) Still think she needs to be tested for HYPP. No,I KNOW she needs to be tested.. She looks like a happy healthy filly, good for you.

 

[Double R Ranch]

I think I was right about raised on dirt--shame you couldn't get mom,cause "Candy" has a lot of cow! Can you go back and get her? A bit of dective bloodwork and you'd be able to find her papers(bet you she has papers!) Still think she needs to be tested for HYPP. No,I KNOW she needs to be tested.. She looks like a happy healthy filly, good for you.

We are going to have her tested. Thanks for the info. I hadn't heard of that test. Kind of surprised the vet didn't recomend it. Talked to AQHA and they won't do any test to find any parents. Herd there is a test to find out breed though. Trying to find more on it. Not that it really matters. I have a ton of blood and sweat in this filly and it doesn't matter really what she is. Just more of a "i knew she was qtr horse and the vet said I was wrong".
Her mother was already in the adoption process when I found her. She was 2 at the time she foaled. She foaled three days after her arrival at the farm. From what I herd the mom got a great trail riding home.
Since we got her, the "rescue group" that rescued her mom in the first place hasn't contacted me back at all. They have completely written her off. I contacted them for records that she was supposed to have and they forgot when they delivered her with no success. I don't know if they went under or what.
I was really horrified at the condition of her when she was delivered. They sent me a picture of her at 5 months old (which I later found out was 3 months) and didn't tell me she was 9 months until we signed the papers and unloaded her. I was under the impression I was getting a 5 month old filly. The rescue she came from really must be overwhelmed because the care of the horses is not so good. 9 months old and no foot trimming to start with ticked me off. Not to mention they said she had vac.s and wormer and she had 1 vac. and no booster as well as no wormer or hoof care etc. Whatever they were feeding her was not good either. Her tendons were so contracted. We saw a diffence in only a few weeks of changing to a good feed.
I was very surprised at how much cow she showed the first time out in the pasture. The intention was to just go for a walk since she had been sick and she saw the cows and bolted afterthem. You could tell she was having a great time chasing them.
We will see more when she comes of age.
Thanks for the imput.
Take care,
Double R

 

[peg4x4]

That HYPP crap comes from the "Impressive" line. There are a lot of breeders who keep breeding their positive stallions/mares. Those horses should have their papers pulled! Really deveistating disorder ,horse will be going along fine,then fall and all muscles will cramp into knots-including diaphram,so they souffocate!

 

[Double R Ranch]

That HYPP crap comes from the "Impressive" line. There are a lot of breeders who keep breeding their positive stallions/mares. Those horses should have their papers pulled! Really deveistating disorder ,horse will be going along fine,then fall and all muscles will cramp into knots-including diaphram,so they souffocate!

Thats horrific! You are right. It should be handled. I will have her tested. I don't keep up with the breeding end of horses because I am not showing and it doesn't make a difference to me if they have papers or not as long as they work. Im not in the breeding business of horses. There are plenty in need of a home.
For some reason I want to say ive heard of the impressive line. I also remember a long time ago the two eyed jack (or 1 eyed jack, can't remember the name) line had major problems.

 

[peg4x4]

"Impressive" was a halter horse.. "Poco Bueno" line has some kind of skin disorder that causes "blisters" from pressure. Closeing the books is the worst thing any breeders can do..
Go to ASK and look up HYPP..I don't know why anyone would breed anything that's positive for this,but they do.

 

[chippie]

Poco Bueno's genetic flaw is called HERDA and it causes more than blisters. A friend had a foal who had it. He was playing with another weanling and got bumped into a pipe fence. He had to be euthanized because it basically skinned him alive

http://www.thehorse.com/images/content/ ... erda2.html

http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/herda.php

ETA: I did not say that the saddle would get ruined, you can ruin your horse by having it wear a poorly fitting saddle that is uncomfortable. Having it sit on the withers and shoulders is not a good thing regardless. Do it correctly or not at all.

Good luck.