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<blockquote data-quote="cotton1" data-source="post: 1451326" data-attributes="member: 14689"><p>EPDs require accurate and honest data being turned in by each and every producer every time or the information will be flawed. I have been noticing the EPD values continue to get "better" or improve as time goes on. Is it because breeders have been using superior breeding stock over time? Maybe, but I dont think so. Its way to human nature and easy to turn in favorable numbers so that corresponding EPD values "look good". </p><p></p><p>One thing is for sure, the more a breeder buys into EPDs the more he will likely spend on chasing them.I have been guilty enough in the past to know, and my cattle herd has some pretty nice EPDs I will add. So think of it this way, there are way too many bulls out there to maintain the inflated value between registered stock and grade stock without some form of value added coming to play.Early on for example, simply having a registered bull was sufficient. The knowns about the bulls parentage and the paper on him made him worth more than a bull of equal composition and performance without the registration papers.What did it mean really? It meant selling a registered bull was more profitable than selling a non registered bull.I believe the bar keeps getting raised to encourage folks to spend their money. Thats my opinion, and mostly based off a lifetime of experience with both commercial grade cattle and registered cattle.</p><p></p><p>In the past the way to prove a bulls genetic purity was to breed him to 20 or more of his daughters. If no defects came about he was considered a good bull. Pre Ai days meant that majority of breeders were trying to validate his own herd bull in house. Could those guys lie back then? Sure, but I doubt it since the price would be loosing calves or creating a herd that was not good doing would be adverse for the breeder. With the EPD magic the bull of the month rotation can include yearling bulls who have never bred a cow but has "curve bender numbers".If he fails, oh well you already bought the semen and signatures and " here is this new, better one now".</p><p></p><p>I used to believe EPDs and will sorta use them some for now, but not like in the past. I have witnessed too many dishonest things in this industry to believe that every contributor turns in accurate data.My herd is mostly becoming closed and the more that happens the less breed EPDs mean. Likewise the more my own data and record keeping mean more to me, and hopefully to my customers.</p><p></p><p>Cotton1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="cotton1, post: 1451326, member: 14689"] EPDs require accurate and honest data being turned in by each and every producer every time or the information will be flawed. I have been noticing the EPD values continue to get "better" or improve as time goes on. Is it because breeders have been using superior breeding stock over time? Maybe, but I dont think so. Its way to human nature and easy to turn in favorable numbers so that corresponding EPD values "look good". One thing is for sure, the more a breeder buys into EPDs the more he will likely spend on chasing them.I have been guilty enough in the past to know, and my cattle herd has some pretty nice EPDs I will add. So think of it this way, there are way too many bulls out there to maintain the inflated value between registered stock and grade stock without some form of value added coming to play.Early on for example, simply having a registered bull was sufficient. The knowns about the bulls parentage and the paper on him made him worth more than a bull of equal composition and performance without the registration papers.What did it mean really? It meant selling a registered bull was more profitable than selling a non registered bull.I believe the bar keeps getting raised to encourage folks to spend their money. Thats my opinion, and mostly based off a lifetime of experience with both commercial grade cattle and registered cattle. In the past the way to prove a bulls genetic purity was to breed him to 20 or more of his daughters. If no defects came about he was considered a good bull. Pre Ai days meant that majority of breeders were trying to validate his own herd bull in house. Could those guys lie back then? Sure, but I doubt it since the price would be loosing calves or creating a herd that was not good doing would be adverse for the breeder. With the EPD magic the bull of the month rotation can include yearling bulls who have never bred a cow but has "curve bender numbers".If he fails, oh well you already bought the semen and signatures and " here is this new, better one now". I used to believe EPDs and will sorta use them some for now, but not like in the past. I have witnessed too many dishonest things in this industry to believe that every contributor turns in accurate data.My herd is mostly becoming closed and the more that happens the less breed EPDs mean. Likewise the more my own data and record keeping mean more to me, and hopefully to my customers. Cotton1 [/QUOTE]
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