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That's out of my league. Maybe one of these other guys more familiar with that stuff can chime in.

I will say I am leery of any thing produced with in a year or two of 2020. I rode my 17 Duramax to late last year for that reason.
I drive a lot but sure aint much of a mechanic. I need to look at a lot of things i think. Good fuel mileage is part of it but i hear about lots of diesels that only get 10-12mpg. A gas will do that.
 
I had a 2010 Dodge one ton diesel that struggled to get 12 mpg. My two trucks (Ford & Chev) have been much better. I just deleted my '16 Duramax and so far the results are excellent. First sign of grief with my Powerstroke DEF I'll be deleting it too.
 
I had planned on looking today or tomorrow at a 2022 Ford F350 with the 6.7 diesel with 60,000 highway miles You guys have me wondering if I should buy a gas truck instead.
I spent a couple hours in a 2017 F350 yesterday that's got 180,000 hard ranching miles on it yesterday. I'd guess over half those miles are loaded heavy. They pulled a living quarters horse trailer all over the country team roping. I know they went to Vegas 4 times and Montana once with that trailer and no telling how many trips too Guthrie,Ok or Hamilton,Tx. Never had a CP4 pump issue. If you get online you'd think every powerstroke was a ticking time bomb. The pumps definitely have issues but I don't think it's as bad as they claim. Ww put 80k on way and bought another. I think the main issue is knuckle heads putting Def in the fuel tank.
 
I spent a couple hours in a 2017 F350 yesterday that's got 180,000 hard ranching miles on it yesterday. I'd guess over half those miles are loaded heavy. They pulled a living quarters horse trailer all over the country team roping. I know they went to Vegas 4 times and Montana once with that trailer and no telling how many trips too Guthrie,Ok or Hamilton,Tx. Never had a CP4 pump issue. If you get online you'd think every powerstroke was a ticking time bomb. The pumps definitely have issues but I don't think it's as bad as they claim. Ww put 80k on way and bought another. I think the main issue is knuckle heads putting Def in the fuel tank.

Thats the nail on the head right there. Yes they lose a bunch of those pumps but think about the millions of those on the road now after 15 years of production in 3 manufacturers. Watched them pull a CP4 pump apart the other day that had 980,000+ miles on it and it was like new. The guy hotshots campers for a living but changed fuel filters religiously and always used a fuel additive. Like most things maintenance means more than miles. Also those trucks are designed to pull. Long hours with heavy loads are better for them than 10 min. trips to the grocery store.

All that being said I bought a 2019 last year with a 6.7 and will be putting a disaster prevention kit on it as soon as time and money allow. Deleting it is a very good possibility too, more likely than not honestly.
 
It's not just people doing it. If you travel enough you will get some shady fuel from gas stations. I have seen it with fleet trucks at work.

Hell, we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on diesel, under contract, with their full time guys on location fueling trucks, and had the fuel company bring out bad diesel that shut down the entire frac fleet. This happens more often than you can imagine. I saw multiple times. They have one job and it's supposed to be tested as it's loaded.
 
There's a new pump out that replaces the CP4. I'd check into that before doing the disaster prevention kit. Honestly if I was really concerned I'd buy a after market warranty. Guy at work got his fuel system replaced for $2k deductible the aftermarket warranty last month. I know allot of guys pushing 175k with no issues though.

@Brute 23 dirty fuel is always a concern with these new diesels. It's the reason our feedtruck is 6.2 gas.
 
What is a disaster prevention kit?

It is a filter system that catches any debris that comes out of the pump should it fail. The big expense comes from the fuel lines, injectors and tank etc. that get debris in them when the pump fails. The whole system has to be flushed/ replaced. This is supposed to limit it so you really only need a new pump and a few lines. A couple hundred bucks and a couple hours to install.
 
It is a filter system that catches any debris that comes out of the pump should it fail. The big expense comes from the fuel lines, injectors and tank etc. that get debris in them when the pump fails. The whole system has to be flushed/ replaced. This is supposed to limit it so you really only need a new pump and a few lines. A couple hundred bucks and a couple hours to install.
More and more i think i need a gas. Or just keep my old dodge with Cummings
 
It's not just people doing it. If you travel enough you will get some shady fuel from gas stations. I have seen it with fleet trucks at work.

Hell, we spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on diesel, under contract, with their full time guys on location fueling trucks, and had the fuel company bring out bad diesel that shut down the entire frac fleet. This happens more often than you can imagine. I saw multiple times. They have one job and it's supposed to be tested as it's loaded.

I agree. I try to be pretty careful where I buy fuel and don't just go by the numbers on the sign. Cheap fuel usually isn't good fuel. I also always add fuel additive if I am buying fuel on the road.
 
More and more i think i need a gas. Or just keep my old dodge with Cummings

That old Dodge is gonna be hard to beat. I didn't really plan on the newer truck but happened into it after a "friend" 🤣 from here convinced my wife she needed a living quarters horse trailer. I like the truck but I kept both my 7.3PS trucks just because I know what I got in them.
 
I use the dodge so much that i sometimes put 1500 miles a year on it. Cattle trailer doesn't get unhooked for months usually.
Kenny, you would like that Ford. The 3rd generation 2022 has the steel pistons, 10 speed transmission, and most problems worked out from the first two generations. On the bypass filter it is a $400 kit that is a line from the fuel pump with a filter before it gets to the money parts which should have been OEM to start with.

 
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That old Dodge is gonna be hard to beat. I didn't really plan on the newer truck but happened into it after a "friend" 🤣 from here convinced my wife she needed a living quarters horse trailer. I like the truck but I kept both my 7.3PS trucks just because I know what I got in them.
You need better friends......;)

Kenny - All of the Ford 6.7 engines from 2011-current use the CP4 high pressure pump, the engine was designed (by Ford) around that pump and it's located in the V of the engine. The CP3 has a bigger footprint and cannot be retrofitted into the space available. As long as the engine has the CP4 pump, there is a possibility of failure and fuel system contamination from debris - either from bad fuel or basic wear of the pump, the cam that drives the plungers has a steep profile and relies on the fuel for lubrication. The disaster prevention kits ($400ish???) basically filter any fuel used for lubrication of the pump and send it back to the tank, instead of allowing it to continue onward to the injectors, etc unfiltered. An aftermarket company, S&S, has adapted a proven high pressure pump from Stanadyne to the 6.7 engine, to the tune of around $2k. The latter option is what I plan to do to my 2019 when I get a little free time.

I think the catastrophic failure of the pumps is a valid concern, but it's blown way out of proportion on the internet from the relatively small percentage of trucks that have experienced the issue. That being said, I'm very particular where I get fuel and use Power Service additive religiously. My wife's boss just retired one of his 6.7 vet trucks to farm duty and it had between 400-500k on it if I'm not mistaken, no CP4 issues.

The 6.7 Fords are great engines from my experience, and even better once they are allowed to breathe properly. I'd like to see you drive a 2017-2019 with the 6 speed before you buy the 2020+ version with the 10 speed, I've driven a couple of the 10 speeds and honestly didn't care for them, too much shifting going on.

Best of luck in whatever you decide, but don't sell the old Dodge regardless.
 
I wouldn't trade my '06 Dodge 3500 4x4 for anything. On a recent 3200 mile trip to Utah I got over 19mpg (hand calculated).
It rolled over 120k on that trip. Changed the water pump in the Central Oregon desert on the way home. Luckily my buddy was with us to go 100 miles R/T to bring me a new one. It just adds to the adventure.
 
It rolled over 120k on that trip. Changed the water pump in the Central Oregon desert on the way home. Luckily my buddy was with us to go 100 miles R/T to bring me a new one. It just adds to the adventure.
Dang water pumps in those trucks. Our '07 went through 3 by 130,000 miles. A smart man would keep a spare in the glove box.
 

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