Dave
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I never use anything in a tub.
You might be mixing up the tub and loose mineral. I couldn't find the specs on that tub but they are usually 2-3# per head per day which is right around what you experienced. Loose mineral in a bag is 4oz.At 4 oz/day per head (recommended rate), should have lasted 250 days-would have been adding additional steers to the equation, but when 2 killed it off in 60+ days, that's not cost effective
They usually mark expected consumption on the bag. It can usually be roughly estimated by the percent phosphorus. Then I would look at iu's of zinc, copper, and vitamins(mostly if you aren't on green grass). You want to also take not of selenium (some areas need it more, some breeds need it more), and also cobalt especially if you don't have legumes in your pasture. You should take note of magnesium especially early season, when your forage may be high potassium. Look down the ingredient lists and see what form each mineral is in so you can roughly figure out absorption.My question isn't whether too put out loose minerals it is how to compare minerals so I can get the best results at the most economical price. I feel Vita Ferm is a top mineral but cost is making it hard too justify on a year round basis, We are trying a Nutrition Plus product this summer. It has garlic oil in it. May go back to Concept Aid this winter unless I can find an comparable product that is cheaper. Tried Vigortone 3 years ago and wasn't satisfied with it. May try Purina wind and rain if I'm not satisfied with the results of the Nutrition Plus mineral we are trying,
Did the tub actually say consumption should be around 4 oz per head per day.At 4 oz/day per head (recommended rate), should have lasted 250 days-would have been adding additional steers to the equation, but when 2 killed it off in 60+ days, that's not cost effective
Yep. See above on Brute's post. They love it, that's for sure.Did the tub actually say consumption should be around 4 oz per head per day.
It is evident that reader comprehension isn't your strong suit. And I don't switch mineral very often. Have trialed some of those mentioned trying too find something that works as good as what I've been using.They usually mark expected consumption on the bag. It can usually be roughly estimated by the percent phosphorus. Then I would look at iu's of zinc, copper, and vitamins(mostly if you aren't on green grass). You want to also take not of selenium (some areas need it more, some breeds need it more), and also cobalt especially if you don't have legumes in your pasture. You should take note of magnesium especially early season, when your forage may be high potassium. Look down the ingredient lists and jc
cobalt
see what form each mineral is in so you can roughly figure out absorption.
Is there a problem you are having that you are trying to address; why are you switching minerals so often?
It is evident that reader comprehension isn't your strong suit. And I don't switch mineral very often. Have trialed some of those mentioned trying too find something that works as good as what I've been using.
I have talked too several nutritionists and vets who also studied nutrition and minerals. All have stated that without knowing the source of a mineral an independent lab test is the best option. All of those numbers mean little without knowing source and type. My question is basically is there anywhere that has ran comparison tests on the major minerals and has results without having a test ran on each brand which maybe my best option.
I will trust reputable vets and nutritionists before I will someone behind a computer on the internet. The ones I listen too have successful businesses. Ingredient lists mean little if you don't know their source. Cows will use their digestive tracts but if an ingredient isn't in the proper form it won't be utilized to it's full potential. A list without needed data is worthless. Just like your post.My wife would inform you, that my reading comprehension is far superior to my listening skills. The mineral tags I have seen have ingredient lists. An independent lab won't give you the best results, you need real world animal absorption. Cows arn't going to use lab techniques to separate minerals, they're going to use their digestive tract and the flora and fauna within. In biology everything has consequences, and environment, and feed will impact your results as well.
I'm saying test the cows after they eat the mineral. I have an animal science degree from Iowa State University, and lack quantm mechanics from a chem minor. If you don't want advise from the internet, don't go to the internet for advise.I will trust reputable vets and nutritionists before I will someone behind a computer on the internet. The ones I listen too have successful businesses. Ingredient lists mean little if you don't know their source. Cows will use their digestive tracts but if an ingredient isn't in the proper form it won't be utilized to it's full potential. A list without needed data is worthless. Just like your post.
Haha, I'm not one to flaunt my diploma. But, it appears we need to submit resumes so our posts aren't deem worthless.Careful folks. He's shaking his diploma at you. Next he will throw it.
This was in 1900's and early 90's. Mineral wasn't talked about much at that time. We were not on a mineral program, except to put it out now and then. The old adage "if they didn't eat it they didn't need it" was the thought. Mineral in our area (MT) wasn't researched much until John Patterson at MSU started studying it. He published his findings and wow! he helped so much to find out what the problems were. That was later in the 90's.I'm shocked you had to talk to so many people to figure out you had copper deficiency. That was in multiple 100 level classes at college. I mix my own mineral for the range with a small cement mixer. I was having retained placentas, and needed more magnesium in my mineral than what companies had in there offerings. I reversed engineered my mineral with more premium ingredients, and doing the math I was shocked at the mineral companies profit margins.
That fire was in Germany, not China, and that was the source of many of the vitamins used in many countries, not just the USA. It produced a shortage of vitamins which was evident in any product that contained such.Yes. I made a blanket statement that was incorrect. It's the vitamins that are absolutely china origin. If any of you remember, there was a fire or something in a factory 2-3-4 years ago and mineral prices went thru the roof.
Phosphorus is a LIMITER. It's bitter. It is used in different scenerios to limit intake--in spring our customers have found they can use a formula with much less phos (which saves them money as phos is the most expensive ingredient in mineral, but later in summer cattle will overeat that same blend, trying to get more phos because it has lessened in the forage as the forage dries up. (Talking MT and WY because that is what I am familiar with. Our company has reps in many areas that are familiar with what is in the grass because they have taken grass samples, so they KNOW pretty much, what will work. Are there oddities, sure. Then grass samples are taken and a custom mix is built.At the end of the day it comes down to what cravings drive them to the mineral feeder and I know that the two main minerals that give them a craving to lick the mineral are Phosphorous and Sodium. Phosphorous in particular,
dry winter pastures can be low but also lush fast growing pastures and forage crops will have them visiting the mineral feeder. Australia is very low in phosphorous and in remote Northern Australia big gains in fertility can be made by supplementing Phosphorous.
Ken