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Markets stall imports of U.S. feeder cattle
this document web posted: Wednesday May 11, 2005 20050512p71

By Barbara Duckworth
Calgary bureau

A new animal health policy may allow American feeder cattle to enter Canada year round, but with poor markets on this side of the border, no imports are expected until trade normalizes.

Economics will dictate whether anyone actually imports U.S. cattle this year, said Glen Thompson, a feedlot owner in Iron Springs, Alta., and chair of the Alberta Beef Producers feeder council.

"If at some point it becomes feasible, we will. As it stands right now, we won't do it."

The new policy allows feeders from 39 U.S. states to enter Canada without testing for the blood diseases bluetongue or anaplasmosis on a year round basis, but Thompson said American animals come with additional costs.

"There are 15 pages of rules to follow. From a layman's perspective, (considering) the risk associated with importing these diseases, it is almost zero. The rules are too onerous."

Feeder heifers will likely have to be pregnancy checked to ensure they are not pregnant and importers must maintain a herd of sentinel Canadian-born feeders in a pen beside the imports. Blood tests on the control group must be run before and after the American cattle arrive to ensure no diseases were passed on.

The debate over freer movement has been ongoing between livestock producers and governments for decades, with anaplasmosis and bluetongue being the most contentious issue.

Research showing that the insects responsible for transmitting bluetongue are not viable in Canada prompted the federal government to rewrite its policy.

American cattle from 39 states are considered to have a low risk of bluetongue and will be allowed to enter Canada without blood testing. Feeder cattle from the remaining 11 states, mostly in the south, have a higher risk of the disease and are not required to be tested as long as they spend at least 60 days in a qualifying state before being imported.

Brian Jamieson of the Canadian Food Inspection Agency said a BSE case in Washington state in late 2003 put a stop to planned American imports.

"Even though we had the bluetongue and anaplasmosis policy for feeders amended to go into effect in 2004, it didn't happen because of the BSE ban," he said.

BSE forced the federal government to revise the rules to identify and prove the age of American imports.

Cattle arriving in Canada must wear U.S. Department of Agriculture ear tags to identify them as having been born in the U.S., which will make them eligible for export back to the U.S. once the border reopens.

The imports must also have a Canadian Cattle Identification Agency tag.

Proof of age will be necessary to allow them back into the U.S. and their age must be on the export certificate when going north.

Imported animals are eligible to leave Canadian feedlots for immediate slaughter, move to another approved feedlot or be re-exported to the U.S. once that market opens.

The cattle are subject to periodic feedlot inspections and comprehensive management programs are required.

Canadian feedlot operators must have a system in place that can track the movement of imported animals.

The Okanagan Valley in British Columbia is not included in the regulation because there is a possibility that bluetongue might appear there.

Okanagan area feedlots may import from qualifying states between Oct. 1 and March 31 or from Hawaii throughout the year. The insects responsible for spreading the disease are present in the Okanagan during the summer.

Breeding animals must also wait until all disease transmission research is completed.

"There are a number of animals that were due to come up here and haven't been able to," Jamieson said.

They could come during the winter when the two diseases are not a concern, but the BSE prohibition on this class is still in effect.
 
The Rest of The Story---The Canadian border has been closed to US cattle- even from border states- for over 10 years...This was even after numerous years of testing, college studies, and US veterinarians said that the danger was not there regarding most of the nation-especially the northern states...Canadians told the Montana, North Dakota, Idaho, (states close to the Canadian feedlots and market) etc. neighbors that their cattle were diseased and would not allow them north without the cost of testing and quarantine.....USDA, NCBA, R-CALF all lobbied to have the restrictions lifted- unsuccessfully...

Then the Canadian BSE case occurred and the US closed the border to Canadian cattle for evaluation of a true human and cattle health risk which still hasn't been answered--WAALAAA- immediatley the Blue tongue and Anaplas danger disappears, and Canada agrees to drop all restrictions in sucking up to get the Border reopened for Canadian cattle- not only dropping restrictions from just northern states, but most of the nation....

This could be one of the reasons many of residents of Canada's neighbor states built up a resentment with NAFTA and Canadian cattle imports--Canadian Trade Barrier all the way....But now when we in the US ask Canada for guarantees to safeguard the US consumer and cattle we are all Protectionists... As frenchie would say YEAH RIGHT :roll: ;-)
 
Oldtimer":ysy7hhfh said:
The Rest of The Story---The Canadian border has been closed to US cattle- even from border states- for over 10 years...This was even after numerous years of testing, college studies, and US veterinarians said that the danger was not there regarding most of the nation-especially the northern states...Canadians told the Montana, North Dakota, Idaho, (states close to the Canadian feedlots and market) etc. neighbors that their cattle were diseased and would not allow them north without the cost of testing and quarantine.....USDA, NCBA, R-CALF all lobbied to have the restrictions lifted- unsuccessfully...

Then the Canadian BSE case occurred and the US closed the border to Canadian cattle for evaluation of a true human and cattle health risk which still hasn't been answered--WAALAAA- immediatley the Blue tongue and Anaplas danger disappears, and Canada agrees to drop all restrictions in sucking up to get the Border reopened for Canadian cattle- not only dropping restrictions from just northern states, but most of the nation....

This could be one of the reasons many of residents of Canada's neighbor states built up a resentment with NAFTA and Canadian cattle imports--Canadian Trade Barrier all the way....But now when we in the US ask Canada for guarantees to safeguard the US consumer and cattle we are all Protectionists... As frenchie would say YEAH RIGHT :roll: ;-)

Oldtimer why don,t you tell the whole story..Not closed ..restricted there is a difference.


.Canada lifts cattle import restrictions
this document web posted: Thursday March 18, 2004 20040318p10

By Barry Wilson
Ottawa bureau

After more than a decade of pressure from Canadian and American cattle producers, the federal government has agreed to open the border year-round to feeder cattle imports from most areas of the United States.

Effective April 1, feeders from 39 low-and-medium-risk states for bluetongue can be shipped north year-round. Now, they are restricted to seasonal imports.

Cattle from high-risk bluetongue states, including many southern states, can be shipped north if they are tested and found free of the disease or spend 60 days in a low-or-medium-risk state in transit.

In Canada, they must be confined to feedlots and not enter the national herd. There will be no restrictions based on fear of anaplasmosis.


Until last week, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency had restricted imports because of fear the diseases could be shipped north. The cattle industry on both sides of the border had insisted the disease risk did not justify the border restriction.

The diseases affect livestock but not humans.

"We have reviewed the science on this," CFIA president Richard Fadden told the Senate agriculture committee March 11. "In respect of anaplasmosis, we decided there are enough controls that can be imposed in-country to prevent the spread of the disease. Basically, we are saying that in respect of anaplasmosis, we are deregulating."

The Canadian cattle industry said it's about time. It has tied Canada's restrictions on feeders moving north to U.S foot-dragging on opening the border to Canadian cattle moving south.

"Our expectation is that with this irritant set aside, our cause of getting cattle across the border will receive more favourable consideration on the U.S. side," said Rob McNabb of the Canadian Cattlemen's Association.

American cattle producers did not make that promise but they praised the decision.

"This is a significant development," Kansas cattle producer and National Cattlemen's Beef Association president Jan Lyons said in a statement issued in Washington, D.C. The American cattle lobby said it is committed to science-based border rules.

"Our ability to work with Canada to harmonize our regulations based upon scientific facts and a commitment to fair trade gives us renewed hope that we can also harmonize international regulations relating to BSE," said NCBA chief executive officer Terry Stokes.

Fadden said the decision to open the border is not risk-free, but it is manageable.

"The bottom line is, there remains a risk," he told senators. "If we change the rules as the minister has effective April 1, there is a risk that bluetongue will be transmitted to the national herd. We will have to deal with that. There is also a risk it could be transmitted to wildlife."

This are the same rules that apply between some states In fact now Ot it will be easier to get U.S cattle in to Canada than some States. You also failed to mention the n.w feeder agreement which saw 200,000 Montana calves regularly exported into Alberta feedlots without a test. How could you knock Canada for applying the same restrictions on your cattle as other states did.
 
The Canadian border has been closed to US cattle- even from border states- for over 10 years...

That's an out and out lie. US cattle were fed in Canadian feedlots and shipped back to the US for slaughter for years and years before this BSE thing came along. Of course I wouldn't expect the truth from you or any of your R-CALF cohorts. Good Luck.
 
Cattle Rack Rancher":2lb5xbi7 said:
The Canadian border has been closed to US cattle- even from border states- for over 10 years...

That's an out and out lie. US cattle were fed in Canadian feedlots and shipped back to the US for slaughter for years and years before this BSE thing came along. Of course I wouldn't expect the truth from you or any of your R-CALF cohorts. Good Luck.

OK cattlerack- I should have put restricted not closed-- but it all did the same thing-- put such an additional burden on the US cattle that they did not go north- but the semis of cattle going south would run you off the road.....

frenchie-- As far as the N.W. feeder agreement- that only came to be and was used for a couple of years, again under restrictions--about the time when Canada was sucking up again to get NCBA to drop support of the M-COOL law.........After they dropped their support I didn't see any cattle going north.......

Any way you look at it it was a trade barrier--The reason that many do not buy the chaste virtouous puritan image that Canada is now trying to portray.......
 
OK cattlerack- I should have put restricted not closed-- but it all did the same thing-- put such an additional burden on the US cattle that they did not go north- but the semis of cattle going south would run you off the road.....

As much as what you say may be true, did you ever stop to think that alot of the semis that were going south were full of American cattle coming back from Canadian feedlots to be slaughtered at American plants. I also can't see how having to do a couple of small tests for Ana was a Canadian specific thing. From what I understand, Montana, itself restricted cattle from other states where Bluetongue and Anaplasmosis was common. Is this not true?
 
Cattle Rack Rancher":1sqpwz3w said:
OK cattlerack- I should have put restricted not closed-- but it all did the same thing-- put such an additional burden on the US cattle that they did not go north- but the semis of cattle going south would run you off the road.....

As much as what you say may be true, did you ever stop to think that alot of the semis that were going south were full of American cattle coming back from Canadian feedlots to be slaughtered at American plants. I also can't see how having to do a couple of small tests for Ana was a Canadian specific thing. From what I understand, Montana, itself restricted cattle from other states where Bluetongue and Anaplasmosis was common. Is this not true?

This is not true--Montanas only restrictions on import is from areas which are on the restricted list because of TB and Brucellosis- which includes Mexican cattle and cattle from a couple states on the A list....The only thing that is needed for import is a Certified Veterinary Inspection....And as far as all these US fats coming down- I doubt it...Only was a couple years that many US calves went north......
 
This is not true--Montanas only restrictions on import is from areas which are on the restricted list because of TB and Brucellosis- which includes Mexican cattle and cattle from a couple states on the A list....The only thing that is needed for import is a Certified Veterinary Inspection....And as far as all these US fats coming down- I doubt it...Only was a couple years that many US calves went north......

But there are some states that have restrictions for Anaplasmosis and Bluetongue, are there not?
Also, there are lots of US cattle that used to flow north to be fed from the states. All depends on the price of barley vs corn.
 
Cattle Rack Rancher":3kxevg9l said:
This is not true--Montanas only restrictions on import is from areas which are on the restricted list because of TB and Brucellosis- which includes Mexican cattle and cattle from a couple states on the A list....The only thing that is needed for import is a Certified Veterinary Inspection....And as far as all these US fats coming down- I doubt it...Only was a couple years that many US calves went north......

But there are some states that have restrictions for Anaplasmosis and Bluetongue, are there not?
Also, there are lots of US cattle that used to flow north to be fed from the states. All depends on the price of barley vs corn.

CattleRack- There may be states with restrictions- I don't know...I know Montana calves go all over the country and the only requirement is a Health Certificate...As far as the big factor determining calves or cattle going to Canada is the strength of the Canadian dollar--when it was worth only about 55 cents nothing went north-everything was coming south....
 
Oldtimer":1u4a0gem said:
Cattle Rack Rancher":1u4a0gem said:
OK cattlerack- I should have put restricted not closed-- but it all did the same thing-- put such an additional burden on the US cattle that they did not go north- but the semis of cattle going south would run you off the road.....

As much as what you say may be true, did you ever stop to think that alot of the semis that were going south were full of American cattle coming back from Canadian feedlots to be slaughtered at American plants. I also can't see how having to do a couple of small tests for Ana was a Canadian specific thing. From what I understand, Montana, itself restricted cattle from other states where Bluetongue and Anaplasmosis was common. Is this not true?

This is not true--....The only thing that is needed for import is a Certified Veterinary Inspection..........


And how costly was that Oldtimer?
 
frenchie":1thvqlfp said:
Oldtimer":1thvqlfp said:
Cattle Rack Rancher":1thvqlfp said:
OK cattlerack- I should have put restricted not closed-- but it all did the same thing-- put such an additional burden on the US cattle that they did not go north- but the semis of cattle going south would run you off the road.....

As much as what you say may be true, did you ever stop to think that alot of the semis that were going south were full of American cattle coming back from Canadian feedlots to be slaughtered at American plants. I also can't see how having to do a couple of small tests for Ana was a Canadian specific thing. From what I understand, Montana, itself restricted cattle from other states where Bluetongue and Anaplasmosis was common. Is this not true?

This is not true--....The only thing that is needed for import is a Certified Veterinary Inspection..........


And how costly was that Oldtimer?

I think its still running around 25 cents a head........Needed on all cattle coming into or leaving the state.......
 
Oldtimer":1tlmgac9 said:
frenchie":1tlmgac9 said:
Oldtimer":1tlmgac9 said:
Cattle Rack Rancher":1tlmgac9 said:
OK cattlerack- I should have put restricted not closed-- but it all did the same thing-- put such an additional burden on the US cattle that they did not go north- but the semis of cattle going south would run you off the road.....

As much as what you say may be true, did you ever stop to think that alot of the semis that were going south were full of American cattle coming back from Canadian feedlots to be slaughtered at American plants. I also can't see how having to do a couple of small tests for Ana was a Canadian specific thing. From what I understand, Montana, itself restricted cattle from other states where Bluetongue and Anaplasmosis was common. Is this not true?

This is not true--....The only thing that is needed for import is a Certified Veterinary Inspection..........


And how costly was that Oldtimer?

I think its still running around 25 cents a head........Needed on all cattle coming into or leaving the state.......

So is that upon entry to the state or at the producers farm?
 
CattleRack- There may be states with restrictions- I don't know...I know Montana calves go all over the country and the only requirement is a Health Certificate...As far as the big factor determining calves or cattle going to Canada is the strength of the Canadian dollar--when it was worth only about 55 cents nothing went north-everything was coming south....

I think you have that backwards. When the Canadian dollar is lower, it is cheaper to feed in Canada when paying in US dollars.
 
frenchie- It can be either-- Just has to be a Health Inspection done within a certain number of days (I believe 10) of entry or removal from the state.....Many of the health inspections on cattle are done on the farm or at the auction barn.....Copies of all those healths are then kept on file same as the brand inspections..........And like everything else- some vets are good and want to look at the entire herd-cows and calves- others are slipshod and barely look at the calves...............
 
Cattle Rack Rancher":25qco8d1 said:
CattleRack- There may be states with restrictions- I don't know...I know Montana calves go all over the country and the only requirement is a Health Certificate...As far as the big factor determining calves or cattle going to Canada is the strength of the Canadian dollar--when it was worth only about 55 cents nothing went north-everything was coming south....

I think you have that backwards. When the Canadian dollar is lower, it is cheaper to feed in Canada when paying in US dollars.

No its cheaper to take a US dollar up that buys you $1.50+ worth of products- and for a while it was almost $2.00 worth of product--Example was a Canadian bull sale--- A bull selling at auction for $3000 only cost $2000 US- $1200-$1300 bulls cost less than $800 US-- saw registered Canadian cows selling for $1200-1500, but with the Canadian walmart discount they actually only cost about $700-$1000 US, which was quite a bit less than comparable cows in the states at the time....This sale was just before your BSE case, because some of these animals never got delivered...I will give the producer credit- he refunded everyone that couldn't get their purchases.....

That same year in order for Canadians to buy calves that were selling for $1.10 cwt American- they'd have had to pay around $1.70+ Canadian to buy them. I never saw a load go north during that period- altho I heard some guys retained ownership and took them to Canadian feedlots to feed--some got caught by the BSE closure.......Was great time for the US tourists going north tho.......Some Canadian Credit Unions were exchanging $2.00 Cdn for $1.10 US- must have lost faith in the Cdn dollar....

But Canadians were buying almost nothing in the states- couldn't even afford to come across the line and buy a beer-- and even with your strengthening dollar now- I see little going north if the border was open with the price of corn low and still going down.....
 
I don't remember Canadian feedlots ever buying American cattle because the spread on the basis is too high. I do remember American owners of cattle shipping cattle north to feed them in Canadian feedlots because it was cheaper though.
 
Cattle Rack Rancher":1itws2em said:
I don't remember Canadian feedlots ever buying American cattle because the spread on the basis is too high. I do remember American owners of cattle shipping cattle north to feed them in Canadian feedlots because it was cheaper though.

In about 99 and 2000 probably over 50%+ of the fall delivery calves and yearlings in my area were sold to Canadian buyers-- many on the Canadian Video- many bought by feedlots owned by packers-then after NCBA flipflopped on their mandatory COOL push almost nothing has sold to Canadian buyers....Many locally figured it was the Packer buyout to convince NCBA to drop COOL since some of the NCBA officers sold several thousand head to Canada that year at premium prices....

As far as any US producers ever sending cattle to Canada to feed-- I think that it will take years to regain confidence-- the border closure brought back the realization that no matter how near- we are 2 seperate countries--Some US producers lost bigtime with cattle they were feeding in Canada after the BSE case- and then the feedlot owners and producers forced boycotts against US producers- because they were members of R-CALF (even tho they had invested in cattle in Canada for years) showed the danger of when you invest in third world countries without discrimination laws-- it is a huge risk--many of these investors will be hesitant to do it again.....
 
Oldtimer":3hojk8sw said:
frenchie- It can be either-- Just has to be a Health Inspection done within a certain number of days (I believe 10) of entry or removal from the state.....Many of the health inspections on cattle are done on the farm or at the auction barn.....Copies of all those healths are then kept on file same as the brand inspections..........And like everything else- some vets are good and want to look at the entire herd-cows and calves- others are slipshod and barely look at the calves...............

I have trouble beliveing a vet would come out for .25cents a head OT. 100head would only be $25.00

If a vet comes out here its a least $250.00
 
Cattle Rack Rancher":12tvwbqc said:
I don't remember Canadian feedlots ever buying American cattle because the spread on the basis is too high. I do remember American owners of cattle shipping cattle north to feed them in Canadian feedlots because it was cheaper though.

C.R.R....Paskal , Cor Van Ray were some of those buyers. In fact Paskal was working to get the bluetonque anaplasmosis restrictions dropped.

Now he is sueing the U.S.D.A. over the border issue.
 
Oldtimer":1pn3569u said:
Cattle Rack Rancher":1pn3569u said:
I don't remember Canadian feedlots ever buying American cattle because the spread on the basis is too high. I do remember American owners of cattle shipping cattle north to feed them in Canadian feedlots because it was cheaper though.



Some US producers lost bigtime with cattle they were feeding in Canada after the BSE case- and then the feedlot owners and producers forced boycotts against US producers- because they were members of R-CALF (even tho they had invested in cattle in Canada for years) showed the danger of when you invest in third world countries without discrimination laws-- it is a huge risk--many of these investors will be hesitant to do it again.....

.I don,t know why you are so pissed off at Canadians, because American owned slaughterhouses in Canada refused to buy your cattle..funny thing though they bought other U.S owned cattle.

You seem to be the only R-Calf member whining about this.So how many cattle did you have on feed here OT
 

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