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will calves 1]4 angus marble good?
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It depends on the other 3/4. There are some high marbling Angus, but I think it would be a mistake to expect 1/4 to overcome 3/4 of non-marbling genetics. Good luck....
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1/4 is better than nothing, but environment also has an effect on marbling. Calves stressed as babies or nutritionally challenged at the 4-7 month age will have a harder time marbling.
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Management definitely has an impact on marbling. But if the animal doesn't have the genetic potential to marble, proper management and feed aren't going to make him marble. The manager of our state steer feed out program used to say "you can mis-manage a Prime down to Select, but you can't manage a Select to grade Prime."
> 1/4 is better than nothing, but
> environment also has an effect on
> marbling. Calves stressed as
> babies or nutritionally challenged
> at the 4-7 month age will have a
> harder time marbling.
> Jason
> 1/4 is better than nothing, but
> environment also has an effect on
> marbling. Calves stressed as
> babies or nutritionally challenged
> at the 4-7 month age will have a
> harder time marbling.
> Jason
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That's a good saying. Just to give a little 'real world' insight, I fed out a bunch of heifers with my neighbor last year. Between us we had something like 14 head to ship. Mine included a Simmental used as a recip, she was crazy wild and had no milk so off to the feed pen. I fed her for at least 120 days of 60% barley. She wouldn't even grade, let alone marble. My neighbor was feeding his only 5 pounds of barley a day, they were preg checked ok in the fall but turned out open, 1 of his wouldn't even grade (not even standard). The rest were select or choice, when we scanned his records, everything had at least 1/4 Angus except the one that didn't grade. She was Simmental/Gelbvieh cross. Genetics DO make a difference.
Jason
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Jason
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Careful there boys. Remember there is often as much variation in some traits within a breed as there is between breeds. How come all those Angus recips turned up open?
> That's a good saying. Just to give
> a little 'real world' insight, I
> fed out a bunch of heifers with my
> neighbor last year. Between us we
> had something like 14 head to
> ship. Mine included a Simmental
> used as a recip, she was crazy
> wild and had no milk so off to the
> feed pen. I fed her for at least
> 120 days of 60% barley. She
> wouldn't even grade, let alone
> marble. My neighbor was feeding
> his only 5 pounds of barley a day,
> they were preg checked ok in the
> fall but turned out open, 1 of his
> wouldn't even grade (not even
> standard). The rest were select or
> choice, when we scanned his
> records, everything had at least
> 1/4 Angus except the one that
> didn't grade. She was
> Simmental/Gelbvieh cross. Genetics
> DO make a difference.
> Jason
> That's a good saying. Just to give
> a little 'real world' insight, I
> fed out a bunch of heifers with my
> neighbor last year. Between us we
> had something like 14 head to
> ship. Mine included a Simmental
> used as a recip, she was crazy
> wild and had no milk so off to the
> feed pen. I fed her for at least
> 120 days of 60% barley. She
> wouldn't even grade, let alone
> marble. My neighbor was feeding
> his only 5 pounds of barley a day,
> they were preg checked ok in the
> fall but turned out open, 1 of his
> wouldn't even grade (not even
> standard). The rest were select or
> choice, when we scanned his
> records, everything had at least
> 1/4 Angus except the one that
> didn't grade. She was
> Simmental/Gelbvieh cross. Genetics
> DO make a difference.
> Jason
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Frankie is a lady and I was only adding to her comments, not disagreeing.
The only recip mentioned in my post was the Simmental. She had her calf and was too dangerous to keep around. The neighbors heifers were mixed breeds, and preg checked by a 'rookie' one might have been bred and aborted, one was traced to being a twin with a bull, one was bred but very late, and a couple mistaken for bred in the fall. The rest of the animals shipped were either bulls or steers, they all graded, they all were straight Angus. To get a bull to grade is apperantly rare, but I have only ever had one swing less than select.
Jason
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The only recip mentioned in my post was the Simmental. She had her calf and was too dangerous to keep around. The neighbors heifers were mixed breeds, and preg checked by a 'rookie' one might have been bred and aborted, one was traced to being a twin with a bull, one was bred but very late, and a couple mistaken for bred in the fall. The rest of the animals shipped were either bulls or steers, they all graded, they all were straight Angus. To get a bull to grade is apperantly rare, but I have only ever had one swing less than select.
Jason
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My aplogies to Frankie. I do not have as much time as some to frequent these message boards. I did not know you are a lady. I agree with your comment that management does factor into the marbling equation. Not only in genetic selection but also in feeding and maybe more importantly age and length of time on feed.
> Frankie is a lady and I was only
> adding to her comments, not
> disagreeing.
> The only recip mentioned in my
> post was the Simmental. She had
> her calf and was too dangerous to
> keep around. The neighbors heifers
> were mixed breeds, and preg
> checked by a 'rookie' one might
> have been bred and aborted, one
> was traced to being a twin with a
> bull, one was bred but very late,
> and a couple mistaken for bred in
> the fall. The rest of the animals
> shipped were either bulls or
> steers, they all graded, they all
> were straight Angus. To get a bull
> to grade is apperantly rare, but I
> have only ever had one swing less
> than select.
> Jason
> Frankie is a lady and I was only
> adding to her comments, not
> disagreeing.
> The only recip mentioned in my
> post was the Simmental. She had
> her calf and was too dangerous to
> keep around. The neighbors heifers
> were mixed breeds, and preg
> checked by a 'rookie' one might
> have been bred and aborted, one
> was traced to being a twin with a
> bull, one was bred but very late,
> and a couple mistaken for bred in
> the fall. The rest of the animals
> shipped were either bulls or
> steers, they all graded, they all
> were straight Angus. To get a bull
> to grade is apperantly rare, but I
> have only ever had one swing less
> than select.
> Jason
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Just because a calf has Angus in it doesn't make it grade good. We have been putting our Charolais Bulls on test with Angus bulls and all have ultrasound at end of test. Even though the top marbling bulls are Angus the top Charolais bulls will beat 75% of the Angus. There are always some Angus bulls that are as low as the lowest Charolais. So if you want cattle that marble well you better look at more than the color of their hair.
> Frankie is a lady and I was only
> adding to her comments, not
> disagreeing.
> The only recip mentioned in my
> post was the Simmental. She had
> her calf and was too dangerous to
> keep around. The neighbors heifers
> were mixed breeds, and preg
> checked by a 'rookie' one might
> have been bred and aborted, one
> was traced to being a twin with a
> bull, one was bred but very late,
> and a couple mistaken for bred in
> the fall. The rest of the animals
> shipped were either bulls or
> steers, they all graded, they all
> were straight Angus. To get a bull
> to grade is apperantly rare, but I
> have only ever had one swing less
> than select.
> Jason
[email protected]
> Frankie is a lady and I was only
> adding to her comments, not
> disagreeing.
> The only recip mentioned in my
> post was the Simmental. She had
> her calf and was too dangerous to
> keep around. The neighbors heifers
> were mixed breeds, and preg
> checked by a 'rookie' one might
> have been bred and aborted, one
> was traced to being a twin with a
> bull, one was bred but very late,
> and a couple mistaken for bred in
> the fall. The rest of the animals
> shipped were either bulls or
> steers, they all graded, they all
> were straight Angus. To get a bull
> to grade is apperantly rare, but I
> have only ever had one swing less
> than select.
> Jason
[email protected]
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> Just because a calf has Angus in
> it doesn't make it grade good. We
> have been putting our Charolais
> Bulls on test with Angus bulls and
> all have ultrasound at end of
> test. Even though the top marbling
> bulls are Angus the top Charolais
> bulls will beat 75% of the Angus.
> There are always some Angus bulls
> that are as low as the lowest
> Charolais. So if you want cattle
> that marble well you better look
> at more than the color of their
> hair.
I always heard cont-breeds dont marble
> it doesn't make it grade good. We
> have been putting our Charolais
> Bulls on test with Angus bulls and
> all have ultrasound at end of
> test. Even though the top marbling
> bulls are Angus the top Charolais
> bulls will beat 75% of the Angus.
> There are always some Angus bulls
> that are as low as the lowest
> Charolais. So if you want cattle
> that marble well you better look
> at more than the color of their
> hair.
I always heard cont-breeds dont marble
