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<blockquote data-quote="Rustler9" data-source="post: 607874" data-attributes="member: 440"><p>Ryan,</p><p> I chose this heifer because of her genetics-she is a grand daughter of our old Butler bull combined with the genetics of Wyoming Warpaint-old Butler genetics combined with Owen McGill breeding. We are committed to breeding Texas Longhorns with breed character and we intend to keep the horn genetics in our herd. No, this heifer doesn't compare with the improved specimens of today's "show" type Texas Longhorns which I feel have gone way out of the range of the breed's characteristics. I believe you know how I feel about how these cattle have gone to the other extreme. I often ask myself why some breeders even choose to raise this breed when they have taken them and moved them so far out of the range of what the breed should look like. I guess my question is "Why not just raise Limousin, Simmental or some other beef breed?" Not that there's any thing wrong with these breeds, so any of you folks who raise these breeds please do not take offense to what I'm saying. I just don't understand why the Texas Longhorn breed needs to look like them. </p><p> For any of you reading this who aren't familiar with the Texas Longhorn breed maybe you need to understand that there's a great deal of diversity amongst the various types of animals within this breed. I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. Maybe it is, maybe not. Just like any other breed there have been individuals who have concentrated on one particular trait and bred for that trait. Some have bred for strictly horn and they have animals who can hardly hold their heads up because their horns are so big while keeping the bodies of these animals to a minimum. Others have concentrated on bodies only and have large bodied animals with very minimum horn growth. Then amongst these various breeders there have been individuals who have slipped other blood in to enhance these traits. Some have tried to include Watusi blood to get the horns larger. This usually shows up and is hard to breed out. Others have slipped the blood of other beef breeds in to get a larger conformation all the while sacrificing the horn growth of the animal.</p><p> Anyone on here who is a Longhorn breeder has seen this. People talk about this at the various sales, shows etc. I've seen it and continue to see it. There are bulls out there right now who are being marketed and pushed in the industry who show the evidence of other blood. The association was influenced under previous reign to stop blood typing animals to protect some of these people. All the while the asociation supposedly does not allow the infusion of other blood. The association used to have a cross bred class in their shows-this was dropped. The reason supposedly was to keep the numbers down at the shows-they were getting too large and took too long to conduct. I believe that the real reason was because folks were showing cross bred animals that looked just like some breeders "purebred" animals. We cross breed some, I've had half bloods and 3/4 animals that showed more breed character than some "purebreds". </p><p> The Texas Longhorn breed is comprised of approximately 80% Spanish blood (cattle who came over with the first Spanish explorers) and 20% blood infusions that came later with the settlers who either turned the cattle loose or they escaped and mingled with these cattle of Spanish ancestry. These breeds would have been the Hereford and Durham (Shorthorn) and even later some Brahman blood. I now see animals who certainly look like more recent infusions of other bloodlines who did not even exist here in the states at the time the Longhorn breed was developing. When this is allowed we change the breed, this breed doesn't need to change like that. There's nothing wrong with selecting the best individuals to breed within the breed but I certainly feel that in many instances the breed is going the in the wrong direction. I guess my goal is to keep the breed as it should be.</p><p> I'd like to see the breed character kept in this breed. I'm not breeding any of these other main stream breeds and I don't need my animals to look like them. If I felt this need I'd switch breeds. My two cents which in this economy is probably worth only 1/8 it's original value.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rustler9, post: 607874, member: 440"] Ryan, I chose this heifer because of her genetics-she is a grand daughter of our old Butler bull combined with the genetics of Wyoming Warpaint-old Butler genetics combined with Owen McGill breeding. We are committed to breeding Texas Longhorns with breed character and we intend to keep the horn genetics in our herd. No, this heifer doesn't compare with the improved specimens of today's "show" type Texas Longhorns which I feel have gone way out of the range of the breed's characteristics. I believe you know how I feel about how these cattle have gone to the other extreme. I often ask myself why some breeders even choose to raise this breed when they have taken them and moved them so far out of the range of what the breed should look like. I guess my question is "Why not just raise Limousin, Simmental or some other beef breed?" Not that there's any thing wrong with these breeds, so any of you folks who raise these breeds please do not take offense to what I'm saying. I just don't understand why the Texas Longhorn breed needs to look like them. For any of you reading this who aren't familiar with the Texas Longhorn breed maybe you need to understand that there's a great deal of diversity amongst the various types of animals within this breed. I'm not so sure that this is a good thing. Maybe it is, maybe not. Just like any other breed there have been individuals who have concentrated on one particular trait and bred for that trait. Some have bred for strictly horn and they have animals who can hardly hold their heads up because their horns are so big while keeping the bodies of these animals to a minimum. Others have concentrated on bodies only and have large bodied animals with very minimum horn growth. Then amongst these various breeders there have been individuals who have slipped other blood in to enhance these traits. Some have tried to include Watusi blood to get the horns larger. This usually shows up and is hard to breed out. Others have slipped the blood of other beef breeds in to get a larger conformation all the while sacrificing the horn growth of the animal. Anyone on here who is a Longhorn breeder has seen this. People talk about this at the various sales, shows etc. I've seen it and continue to see it. There are bulls out there right now who are being marketed and pushed in the industry who show the evidence of other blood. The association was influenced under previous reign to stop blood typing animals to protect some of these people. All the while the asociation supposedly does not allow the infusion of other blood. The association used to have a cross bred class in their shows-this was dropped. The reason supposedly was to keep the numbers down at the shows-they were getting too large and took too long to conduct. I believe that the real reason was because folks were showing cross bred animals that looked just like some breeders "purebred" animals. We cross breed some, I've had half bloods and 3/4 animals that showed more breed character than some "purebreds". The Texas Longhorn breed is comprised of approximately 80% Spanish blood (cattle who came over with the first Spanish explorers) and 20% blood infusions that came later with the settlers who either turned the cattle loose or they escaped and mingled with these cattle of Spanish ancestry. These breeds would have been the Hereford and Durham (Shorthorn) and even later some Brahman blood. I now see animals who certainly look like more recent infusions of other bloodlines who did not even exist here in the states at the time the Longhorn breed was developing. When this is allowed we change the breed, this breed doesn't need to change like that. There's nothing wrong with selecting the best individuals to breed within the breed but I certainly feel that in many instances the breed is going the in the wrong direction. I guess my goal is to keep the breed as it should be. I'd like to see the breed character kept in this breed. I'm not breeding any of these other main stream breeds and I don't need my animals to look like them. If I felt this need I'd switch breeds. My two cents which in this economy is probably worth only 1/8 it's original value. [/QUOTE]
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