Limousin vs any Red breed

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If you were trying to give a Red color to a commercial herd without loosing meat carcass weights , rib eye areas and maternal efficiency to keep the heifers as replacements; which breed will you use in the crossbred, and why?

I was thinking in Limousin, excellent red meat yield and muscle growth and as maternal efficiency good calving ease, good milk and moderate size

P.D. I'm not a Limousin breeder

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Limousin are actually not all that great at maternal, they do have the meat. And I know I'll take flack for this, many still have disposition problems. One of the solid red Simmenthals will do the job for you. Especially crossed with a british breed. No I'm not a Simmenthal breeder. Strictly commercial with a few registered cows, but no Simmenthal influence yet. Hope to change that this week-end.

dun

> If you were trying to give a Red
> color to a commercial herd without
> loosing meat carcass weights , rib
> eye areas and maternal efficiency
> to keep the heifers as
> replacements; which breed will you
> use in the crossbred, and why?

> I was thinking in Limousin,
> excellent red meat yield and
> muscle growth and as maternal
> efficiency good calving ease, good
> milk and moderate size

> P.D. I'm not a Limousin breeder
 
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Anonymous

I am looking to add South Devons to my herd. Note that Devon and South Devon are two different breeds. South Devon are known for their maternal qualities and carcass qualities. Their disposition is supposed to be great. I haven't found any yet, but I'm still looking.

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South Devons, not bad, but a hard to find
> I am looking to add South Devons
> to my herd. Note that Devon and
> South Devon are two different
> breeds. South Devon are known for
> their maternal qualities and
> carcass qualities. Their
> disposition is supposed to be
> great. I haven't found any yet,
> but I'm still looking.

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Anonymous

I'm a Simmental and Simbrah breeder, at the time I really have nice looking red Simmentals with my commercial herd but not complete solid red. Simmental do the job, but not to have a real solid red commercial herd.

> Limousin are actually not all that
> great at maternal, they do have
> the meat. And I know I'll take
> flack for this, many still have
> disposition problems. One of the
> solid red Simmenthals will do the
> job for you. Especially crossed
> with a british breed. No I'm not a
> Simmenthal breeder. Strictly
> commercial with a few registered
> cows, but no Simmenthal influence
> yet. Hope to change that this
> week-end.

> dun

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Anonymous

I think red angus would do the trick for you. They have good maternal and carcass qualities. Angus cross excellent with simmi's. I breed black angus not red.

pat
 
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I think you should try out a Limousin. I am a purebred Limousin breeder and have within the past 4 yrs developed a commercial cow herd (consisting of Angus, Simmentals, Charlois, herefords, gelvieh cows and heifers). We run about 700 purebred Limos and close to 200 commercials. We take our own ranch raised bulls and cross them with our commercials. We are really happy with the outcome of these calves. The limousin adds hip and muscle into the calves. We have not had trouble calving out any of the heifers. The maternal traits that we have produce in our Limousin cows over the years is excellent. I recommend trying out a limo. I think you will be very happy. Where abouts are you from? I could set you up with a bull or a breeder close to your area. We farm in Canada.
 
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If you go with Limousin, be careful with your selection. the ones i've dealt with, and i know not all are like this, but the ones ive had experience with were low milking, and hard calving. they werent nuts like a lot of people say. ive found that the black limousins that ive had far outperformed the red ones. so my recommendation would be red angus or redbrangus. your simmental influence will keep the calves growthy, adn the red angus will add some hybrid vigor which is maximized with a three way cross. (limousin and simmental, being both continental breeds, will not have as much hybrid vigor as continentalXbos indicusX british). just another opinion.
 
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Anonymous

I already have a Red full blood Limousin bull breeding 15 Full blood Simmental heifers, to be exact I have 50 Simm. heifers breeding aside the Limo with two 3/4 Nelore- 1/4 Simmental that way I'll breed Simbrah directly.

> I think you should try out a
> Limousin. I am a purebred Limousin
> breeder and have within the past 4
> yrs developed a commercial cow
> herd (consisting of Angus,
> Simmentals, Charlois, herefords,
> gelvieh cows and heifers). We run
> about 700 purebred Limos and close
> to 200 commercials. We take our
> own ranch raised bulls and cross
> them with our commercials. We are
> really happy with the outcome of
> these calves. The limousin adds
> hip and muscle into the calves. We
> have not had trouble calving out
> any of the heifers. The maternal
> traits that we have produce in our
> Limousin cows over the years is
> excellent. I recommend trying out
> a limo. I think you will be very
> happy. Where abouts are you from?
> I could set you up with a bull or
> a breeder close to your area. We
> farm in Canada.

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Anonymous

I was considering to crossbred Simbrah with Red Brangus to keep my 3/8 Brahman influence in the 3 way cross. Maybe I should add a Red Brangus bull to my Simmental heifers.

> If you go with Limousin, be
> careful with your selection. the
> ones i've dealt with, and i know
> not all are like this, but the
> ones ive had experience with were
> low milking, and hard calving.
> they werent nuts like a lot of
> people say. ive found that the
> black limousins that ive had far
> outperformed the red ones. so my
> recommendation would be red angus
> or redbrangus. your simmental
> influence will keep the calves
> growthy, adn the red angus will
> add some hybrid vigor which is
> maximized with a three way cross.
> (limousin and simmental, being
> both continental breeds, will not
> have as much hybrid vigor as
> continentalXbos indicusX british).
> just another opinion.

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> I was considering to crossbred
> Simbrah with Red Brangus to keep
> my 3/8 Brahman influence in the 3
> way cross. Maybe I should add a
> Red Brangus bull to my Simmental
> heifers.

Since you like red so much, and want to use 3/8 Brahman animals, may I suggest that you also consider adding some Santa Gertrudis blood to your herd. Gert's are 3/8 Brahman and 5/8 Shorthorn, and were originally developed by the world famous King Ranch (headquartered in Kingsville, Texas). I believe there are many other Gert raisers in your area of deep South Texas. You may also want to consider something that the King Ranch started some years ago in an attempt to keep the red color and increase carcass qualities as well as milking, etc. Their new "composite" animal is referred to as King Ranch Santa Cruz and it is made up of 1/2 Santa Gertrudis, 1/4 Red Angus and 1/4 Gelbvieh. Maybe you should take a trip to Kingsville, Texas and see what they have to offer. (Note --- I have no affiliation with the King Ranch or any other ranch or breeder)
 
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My Family were in the early '80 one of the first Santa Gertrudis breeders in Northeast Mexico but we didn't get what we were expecting of the breed, now the King Ranch with their new composite Santa Cruz has mend what the Santa Gertrudis was missing and to have a 4 breed composite with a commercial herd I think it will be crucial. But anyway I really thank your suggestion.

> Since you like red so much, and
> want to use 3/8 Brahman animals,
> may I suggest that you also
> consider adding some Santa
> Gertrudis blood to your herd.
> Gert's are 3/8 Brahman and 5/8
> Shorthorn, and were originally
> developed by the world famous King
> Ranch (headquartered in
> Kingsville, Texas). I believe
> there are many other Gert raisers
> in your area of deep South Texas.
> You may also want to consider
> something that the King Ranch
> started some years ago in an
> attempt to keep the red color and
> increase carcass qualities as well
> as milking, etc. Their new
> "composite" animal is
> referred to as King Ranch Santa
> Cruz and it is made up of 1/2
> Santa Gertrudis, 1/4 Red Angus and
> 1/4 Gelbvieh. Maybe you should
> take a trip to Kingsville, Texas
> and see what they have to offer.
> (Note --- I have no affiliation
> with the King Ranch or any other
> ranch or breeder)

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Anonymous

Maybe I should considered Red Angus, Thanks
> I think red angus would do the
> trick for you. They have good
> maternal and carcass qualities.
> Angus cross excellent with
> simmi's. I breed black angus not
> red.

> pat

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Anonymous

What didn't you get out of the gerts that you had expected?

dun

> My Family were in the early '80
> one of the first Santa Gertrudis
> breeders in Northeast Mexico but
> we didn't get what we were
> expecting of the breed, now the
> King Ranch with their new
> composite Santa Cruz has mend what
> the Santa Gertrudis was missing
> and to have a 4 breed composite
> with a commercial herd I think it
> will be crucial. But anyway I
> really thank your suggestion.
 
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Anonymous

in addition to providing better hybrid vigor, red brangus and/or red angus are supposed to be pretty good at throwing solid colored calves. why do you not want white? b/c of insects, buyer acceptability, or personal preference or other? just curious.
 
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I want red in my commercial herd b/c of insects and personal preference. Just yesterday I have bought two Red Brangus bulls, Thanks for the comments
> in addition to providing better
> hybrid vigor, red brangus and/or
> red angus are supposed to be
> pretty good at throwing solid
> colored calves. why do you not
> want white? b/c of insects, buyer
> acceptability, or personal
> preference or other? just curious.

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I really like Gerts but we had problems with the prepuce and hybrid vigor. We raise other breeds that we considered better.

> What didn't you get out of the
> gerts that you had expected?

> dun

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Anonymous

I just contacted the North Ameriacan South Devon Association for sure I'm going to buy a bull or some semen dosis to began my crossbreed project, even tough I'm already using a Limousin bull and bought a pair of Red Brangus bulls. I really appreciate your sugestion about the South Devon breed.

> I am looking to add South Devons
> to my herd. Note that Devon and
> South Devon are two different
> breeds. South Devon are known for
> their maternal qualities and
> carcass qualities. Their
> disposition is supposed to be
> great. I haven't found any yet,
> but I'm still looking.

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Anonymous

Good for you! I've been looking. I have talked to many people and finally found some to go look at this week. No one had any complaints about them, other then they can be too gentle and won't move! I can live with that.

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