TexasJerseyMilker
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Unfortunately this young man got killed but isn't this a British Park White bull? They were originally kept on the estates of British aristocracy and never tamed.
Isn't this a Park White bull?
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M.Magis
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Bucking bulls are a combination of all sorts of breeds.
NIdahoShorthorns
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It appears to have the color pattern. Someone recently posted a picture of what appears to be a white park that had been breed to a black angus bull and still produced a calf of the white park color pattern. I'm not sure never tamed would be a correct assessment though, I would imagine they are very tame, rather never bred for production. I've been around a couple of these and they've all been docile, they are also likely to be a source of the white genes in shorthorns, also a breed that's docile.
That bull appears to be a member of the White Park Cattle breed.
British White Cattle are naturally polled.
https://britishwhite.org/
Don't know if it's right or wrong, but I think of British Whites as their own little groupie within the White Park breed. So the bull would be White Park, but would not qualify as British White.
British White Cattle are naturally polled.
https://britishwhite.org/
Don't know if it's right or wrong, but I think of British Whites as their own little groupie within the White Park breed. So the bull would be White Park, but would not qualify as British White.
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TexasJerseyMilker
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I was referring to the Ancient Park White. Seems they are pretty wild by nature and would make good bucking bulls.
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I like the looks of these black skinned horned white park cattle. Purebred white Charolais have pink skin, seems like they would get sunburn and cancer eye.
Ancient White Park Cattle - The Livestock Conservancy
Ancient White Park cattle came to North America during WWII. They were evacuated as part of a British program that sent national treasures to America for safekeeping.
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I like the looks of these black skinned horned white park cattle. Purebred white Charolais have pink skin, seems like they would get sunburn and cancer eye.
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SBMF 2015
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The polled parks are about as docile as any other breed. The horned ones that I have been around on the other hand have all been head hunters.
Those color markings can appear 7 generations later.
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TexasJerseyMilker
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The cows look to be pretty high headed. from the article-
" However, they are not considered a good breed for beginners as they are an active breed that, according to Ancient White Park cattle breeder, Wes Henthorne, require careful handling due to their large flight zone.
" However, they are not considered a good breed for beginners as they are an active breed that, according to Ancient White Park cattle breeder, Wes Henthorne, require careful handling due to their large flight zone.
No. Bucking bulls are for the most part Brahma/Longhorn composites, with a smattering of other breeds in the mix. Charolais really added the athleticism to bucking bulls. Anything in major rodeo or PBR today will be registered with the ABBInc. You can look at the websites of Nothing But Try Ranch and other producer's webpages and social media and see these bull being led to the trailers, kids sitting on their backs in the pens at home, etc. Bucking bulls today, which will sell well into the 6 figures, are bred to buck. https://www.facebook.com/nothinbuttryranch
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TexasJerseyMilker
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Here is another bull of this breed? named Smooth Operator.
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TexasJerseyMilker
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Unfortunately, the bull at the beginning of this discussion killed a 24 year old rider when he threw him then stepped on his neck.
www.breitbart.com
What a shame. The early 20s, the age guys think they are immortal.
Rising Bull Riding Star, 24, Trampled to Death at Rodeo
Dylan Grant, 24, a rising bull-riding star, was trampled to death at a rodeo in Texas on Thursday. | Sports
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Ky hills
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Was at a cattle sale one time sitting behind a a local cattle buyer in that area.
They ran a few 5 or 6 wt steers or bulls in the ring that hadn't been sorted out back. There was a white park in the group. The buyer turned to whoever was next to him and said he'd never seen a white park that wasn't mean. When the white park hit the ring by itself it went straight towards a ring man behind a gate and turned and ran at the other ring man.
The buyer looked over at the guy and said what'd I tell ye.
Since then I've had to take notice whenever I see one sell and he's right.
We don't see many of them, but might see one or two at a sale ever now and then.
They ran a few 5 or 6 wt steers or bulls in the ring that hadn't been sorted out back. There was a white park in the group. The buyer turned to whoever was next to him and said he'd never seen a white park that wasn't mean. When the white park hit the ring by itself it went straight towards a ring man behind a gate and turned and ran at the other ring man.
The buyer looked over at the guy and said what'd I tell ye.
Since then I've had to take notice whenever I see one sell and he's right.
We don't see many of them, but might see one or two at a sale ever now and then.
farmerjan
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I have a longhorn/angus steer that is marked nearly identical to the British White/White Park coloring with the black nose, black ears.... there is none of either of them in there anywhere that I am aware of... The cow is a mostly all white longhorn with the black nose and ears, her dam had a little bit of reddish spots when she first shed out... this cow will show a very few of those spots and some black ones... looks like a few dimes around her front legs...
She has been bred to 2 different registered black angus bulls... 1st bull sired 1 white with black points polled heifer, and 1 black bull calf, with tiny scurs; then next bull sired twin black polled heifers, and 1 white with black points polled bull... black bull with scurs that are only on the scull... have not grown in a year.... for 5th time.. She is now due to a different black angus bull and his calves have all been black so far on black, bwf, hereford and solid red cows... I am expecting a black calf this time... but who knows. That color pattern comes out often...
She has been bred to 2 different registered black angus bulls... 1st bull sired 1 white with black points polled heifer, and 1 black bull calf, with tiny scurs; then next bull sired twin black polled heifers, and 1 white with black points polled bull... black bull with scurs that are only on the scull... have not grown in a year.... for 5th time.. She is now due to a different black angus bull and his calves have all been black so far on black, bwf, hereford and solid red cows... I am expecting a black calf this time... but who knows. That color pattern comes out often...
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TexasJerseyMilker
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Was the auction White Park horned or polled?
Is Famerjans black Angus bull homozygous?
Is Famerjans black Angus bull homozygous?
Ky hills
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If you're asking about the cattle in my post, I'd say they are horned/dehorned.
Yes, Smooth Operator was a 6 time World Ckampion bucking bull owned by Chad Berger Bucking Bulls.
Travlr
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Pretty neat lookin' out in a field if there's a group of cows and calves. But I've only been around a few and not really closely and they don't seem real friendly and of the few they didn't seem to be great mothers.
farmerjan
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All of our angus bulls... as well as every other one we have except the Limousin... are homozygous for POLLED and BLACK...... Because we run some red cows, herefords, red wf, bwf as well as some bought cows, we usually only buy homo for black and polled in anything we buy. Besides, angus are supposed to be homo for polled..... but there are some xxx in the woodpile in most every breed....
And longhorns ... as well as others like watusi and brahma.... are notorious for NOT conforming to the "accepted rules" of color and horns...
I have a smokey charl x now....... greatgranddam (Smokey) was a hol/char/ ??? (bottle calf raised up ) .... granddam (sandy) was a 1/2 ang reddish grey cow... dam (no name) was a 3/4 ang smokey grey cow.......and then got this cow..... 7/8? angus smokey grey cow ( her FULL sister was was a solid black 7/8 angus...died last year but had had all black calves ).
I called the one Black Smoke, and this is Grey Smoke... last year she had a smokey grey heifer out of a black angus bull and the heifer is a little lighter grey than she is.... This year she has a solid black 1/2 gelbvieh bull calf....and bull was not homo black although he was black.... and every calf he has put on the ground is black so far...
I take what I get... don't get too excited about it...
And longhorns ... as well as others like watusi and brahma.... are notorious for NOT conforming to the "accepted rules" of color and horns...
I have a smokey charl x now....... greatgranddam (Smokey) was a hol/char/ ??? (bottle calf raised up ) .... granddam (sandy) was a 1/2 ang reddish grey cow... dam (no name) was a 3/4 ang smokey grey cow.......and then got this cow..... 7/8? angus smokey grey cow ( her FULL sister was was a solid black 7/8 angus...died last year but had had all black calves ).
I called the one Black Smoke, and this is Grey Smoke... last year she had a smokey grey heifer out of a black angus bull and the heifer is a little lighter grey than she is.... This year she has a solid black 1/2 gelbvieh bull calf....and bull was not homo black although he was black.... and every calf he has put on the ground is black so far...
I take what I get... don't get too excited about it...
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NIdahoShorthorns
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I know there were some recent posts on color and shorthorns. Where the roan and whites come from. I've read literature that suggests there may be multiple sources of white. Some dominant, some recessive, and some co dominant. These white park cattle, both polled and horned, come from the same place so it's hard to imagine they aren't in the backgrounds of all the British breeds somewhere. And with those black noses I wouldn't doubt a relationship with angus.
Dave
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We referred to them as wild whites.
doubt very much he is White Park. I would bet longhorn/brahma cross. I have had a few longhorn descendants for decades - they often throw that color, even solid colored cows mated to Angus, Hereford, Brangus, Limousine bulls.
last year I bought a British White bull. he is polled and registered in both the British White Cattle Association of America and the American British White Park Association
so far I have one white with black points calf on the ground out of a black cow, but I don't know for sure if it is out of this bull or if cow's ancestor was a LH.
last year I bought a British White bull. he is polled and registered in both the British White Cattle Association of America and the American British White Park Association
so far I have one white with black points calf on the ground out of a black cow, but I don't know for sure if it is out of this bull or if cow's ancestor was a LH.
