hcrancher":x91c3ouw said:Yes, the Red Angus dam was registered at the time my brother purchased her from a Red Angus breeder. Unfortunately, I don't know about her parentage verification. The steer has a short tail - I assume it's a rat tail. Sorry it's not a better photo. I live in another state from where the cattle are located, otherwise I'd take another photo.
My mind is stuck back when they first were imported, they were all yellow back then.3waycross":1b6uk0j9 said:
cow pollinater":2she0oj3 said:I may be wrong, but I believe that both the Gelbvieh and Red Angus offer some sort of breeding up to registration program so it is possible that there are diluters on both sides.
If the RA is a 1A registration she is pure angus if it is 1B it's the results of breeding up.3waycross":3cneo4zf said:cow pollinater":3cneo4zf said:I may be wrong, but I believe that both the Gelbvieh and Red Angus offer some sort of breeding up to registration program so it is possible that there are diluters on both sides.
RA does. Gelbvieh had the diluter originally as Dun says. However it is getting more rare as time goes on. I sold a cow with it last year. She threw some incredible calves. I'd like to see the papers on that RA cow. I have looked at the sires pedigree, I don't think it came from him.
dun":2e1itmou said:My mind is stuck back when they first were imported, they were all yellow back then.3waycross":2e1itmou said:
[/quote]hillsdown":1l3czwu9 said:Any full blood I have ever seen in Germany was gold and most all GV still carry the diluter gene unless there is hardly any GV left in them. And if they don't, they really should not even be called Gv 's at all . I think it is an embarrassment to the breed to NOT want the gold cattle . I have crossed GV with everything except blk angus and have never ever had a rat tail ;-)
hcrancher":34vdwufq said:Here's more info and a photo of the dam (the Red Angus cow in the middle facing the camera). It's interesting to note that her next calf, a steer, is standing to her left with it's back to the viewer, and it's a dark charcoal gray with a rat tail. I assume after reading the posts above that it's also a diluter. This calf has a different sire, a different black balancer, shown in the second photo.
What percentage should be considered purebred then? No one uses fullbloods any more so if we increase the percentage to say 94%, there would never again be a purebred Gelbvieh registered. Since you are from Canada, I am sure you are familiar with the Canadian Gelbvieh Semen Source Directory. In it, they print the actual percentage Gelbvieh of many of the sires in Canada. The list has bulls like Beretta (88%), Fullback (86%), Bronco (85%), Boo Boo (90%), Louie (87%), etc. Very, very few purebred bulls have a percentage higher than 92% Gelbvieh. Any rule change that leads to less purebreds seems silly to me. IMO, 85+ plus percent is pretty high percentage and justifies being termed a purebred.hillsdown":13lbnhpb said:80 -90 is not purebred, it is still percentage , that is something that the GV association needs to change .