BIZIN
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Wondering if anyone has bought any of these Irish Black bulls, and how they have worked out? Been talking to Doc Harris for a few years, but havent gotten down to see them yet. Wondering how they worked out for folks.
BIZIN":foh9wd0v said:I was just looking at getting some bulls. What kinda price is he asking on the bulls. Trying to get ahold of him is beginning to be difficult and he has said that he wont let cattle into Canada unless I can convince him. The Welsh Blacks we have are doing a good job throwing BBF replacements, but I got interested in these Irish Blacks and wonder what kind of replacements they would throw on horned hereford cows.
3waycross... what kind of cattle did you end up going with instead?
Northern Rancher":2tlfj185 said:The best way to launch a new breed oir bull in my opinion if you are truly a believer in their acceptability is to price your genetics so they can be used by a large number of producers. Sky high prices to get into something is 'milking the cow dry before she kicks'. I checked them out also but like you I found the prices a bit steamy. I can get as good a return on investmment using genetics that are proven to work in my situation. You can still struggle along raising the industry standard black baldie and get by fine.
Aero":gtdqbke3 said:Northern Rancher":gtdqbke3 said:The best way to launch a new breed oir bull in my opinion if you are truly a believer in their acceptability is to price your genetics so they can be used by a large number of producers. Sky high prices to get into something is 'milking the cow dry before she kicks'. I checked them out also but like you I found the prices a bit steamy. I can get as good a return on investmment using genetics that are proven to work in my situation. You can still struggle along raising the industry standard black baldie and get by fine.
he sells all of his bulls every year... 200 or so of them...
try to buy a 3-in-1... we got into 5 figures very quickly per cow
KMacGinley":2eaj6kiq said:They kinda remind me of Limmis
3waycross":1iq2urr6 said:Also as much as I admire Maurice Bonney for what he has developed there, the covenants he places on them are so restrictive that you are pretty hogtied. He is the last and only source for registrations. They do not have an independent breed ASSN.
Frankie":2eg0lbfz said:3waycross":2eg0lbfz said:Also as much as I admire Maurice Bonney for what he has developed there, the covenants he places on them are so restrictive that you are pretty hogtied. He is the last and only source for registrations. They do not have an independent breed ASSN.
That's the only way he can maintain contol over the quality of the breed....and continue to be the major source of supply. And keep the price high.
Northern Rancher":2dzod7qq said:One of the reasons the angus breed grew so fast so quickly is the fact you could use the top end bulls of the breed at commercial prices through A'I. If you are confident in your genetics make them available to the masses. seen alot of wonder breeds come and go over the years-i've got 40 some years of cattle publications in my archives-any one remember Jim leachman as a Chianina breeder lol.
Frankie":3h6i594k said:3waycross":3h6i594k said:Also as much as I admire Maurice Bonney for what he has developed there, the covenants he places on them are so restrictive that you are pretty hogtied. He is the last and only source for registrations. They do not have an independent breed ASSN.
That's the only way he can maintain contol over the quality of the breed....and continue to be the major source of supply. And keep the price high.
Aero":2yzwpfqw said:Frankie":2yzwpfqw said:3waycross":2yzwpfqw said:Also as much as I admire Maurice Bonney for what he has developed there, the covenants he places on them are so restrictive that you are pretty hogtied. He is the last and only source for registrations. They do not have an independent breed ASSN.
That's the only way he can maintain contol over the quality of the breed....and continue to be the major source of supply. And keep the price high.
that's not exactly right. he is willing to sell registered Irish Black bulls and cows that you can then register calves from, but you cant use any percentage males for breeding. the contract requires them (percentage males) to be castrated.
Aero":3dyyiwyp said:that's not exactly right. he is willing to sell registered Irish Black bulls and cows that you can then register calves from, but you cant use any percentage males for breeding. the contract requires them (percentage males) to be castrated.
That's the only way he can maintain contol over the quality of the breed....and continue to be the major source of supply. And keep the price high.