Interesting voting facts.

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Away from taxes and back to the OP. What this shows is the huge cultural divide between the rural and urban population in this country. I know that within my own family this exists. My sisters who are urban liberals don't have a clue on why I think the way I do. And I don't understand how these otherwise extremely intelligent ladies can think the way they do. We all grew up in the same household. But in our adult life we have gone different directions.
 
boondocks":powvwmx4 said:
True Grit Farms":powvwmx4 said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/17/trump-america-rural-urban-divide

Clinton won 487 counties, and Trump won 2,626 counties. It's really sad how far apart we are as a country. I wonder if the folks in the 487 counties pay more taxes than those who live in the 2,626 counties?

Are counties people? Last I heard they don't vote. Are you saying people in urban areas should only get a fraction of a vote? Three fifths maybe?
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hurleyjd":3vrlki2x said:
http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/daniel-mitchell/which-us-state-biggest-federal-mooch

Check your state for the most federal money coming to them. You find that Kentucky and Tennessee will be in the top five.

Looks like every state is a federal mooch to me. :lol2:
 
Dave":1k8tb11e said:
Away from taxes and back to the OP. What this shows is the huge cultural divide between the rural and urban population in this country. I know that within my own family this exists. My sisters who are urban liberals don't have a clue on why I think the way I do. And I don't understand how these otherwise extremely intelligent ladies can think the way they do. We all grew up in the same household. But in our adult life we have gone different directions.

And I'm sure they tell their friends they can't understand why their otherwise-intelligent brother can think the way he does. :lol:
I have lived in a big city, in a smaller city, in the suburbs, and now in the, well, boondocks. Unfortunately, it's given me the gift, nay, CURSE, of seeing things from all sides. I see so many "knee-jerk" reactions (yeah, even on CT, go figure), and it depresses me. Too many folks want to rely on their "feelings" of how things work, and their "feeling" that they are getting the short end of the stick--facts be d@mned. We can't even agree on what "facts" are anymore...we're doomed.
 
boondocks":2iw3xroj said:
Dave":2iw3xroj said:
Away from taxes and back to the OP. What this shows is the huge cultural divide between the rural and urban population in this country. I know that within my own family this exists. My sisters who are urban liberals don't have a clue on why I think the way I do. And I don't understand how these otherwise extremely intelligent ladies can think the way they do. We all grew up in the same household. But in our adult life we have gone different directions.

And I'm sure they tell their friends they can't understand why their otherwise-intelligent brother can think the way he does. :lol:
I have lived in a big city, in a smaller city, in the suburbs, and now in the, well, boondocks. Unfortunately, it's given me the gift, nay, CURSE, of seeing things from all sides. I see so many "knee-jerk" reactions (yeah, even on CT, go figure), and it depresses me. Too many folks want to rely on their "feelings" of how things work, and their "feeling" that they are getting the short end of the stick--facts be d@mned. We can't even agree on what "facts" are anymore...we're doomed.

it is baffling how normal intelligent people can get so wrapped up in their "side" and refuse to consider any alternatives. people approach things from within their own set of perceptions and you can not shake them hard enough to make them consider anything else...I have gotten to where I think there is no use trying to persuade or argue....people will ask you what you think and then proceed to tell you why you are wrong. I sorta quit caring...life is to short....
 
I have a whole bunch of "extremists" on both sides on my FB... depending on the subject matter, both can make valid points

Meanwhile I saw this come up
 
Nesikep":2xf311tp said:
I have a whole bunch of "extremists" on both sides on my FB... depending on the subject matter, both can make valid points

Meanwhile I saw this come up

That's sure not the way I see it. The clinton news network is very liberal. IMO
 
Jogeephus":hpxli0u1 said:
I would have thought MSNBC would have been further left than the chart shows them.

They have some liberal commentators but their actual news division is much more independent from the commentators/talking heads than, say, Fox's news dept, where the editorial bias leaks over much more into the news division.

I suspect Nesi's chart is referring to the news sections of those sources, not, eg, Hannity, Maddow, etc. As such, I find it pretty accurate. One could quibble that the WashPo has traditionally skewed more conservative than the chart shows. But I think it's still a reliable news source.
 
boondocks":2vbm0op3 said:
Jogeephus":2vbm0op3 said:
I would have thought MSNBC would have been further left than the chart shows them.

They have some liberal commentators but their actual news division is much more independent from the commentators/talking heads than, say, Fox's news dept, where the editorial bias leaks over much more into the news division.

I suspect Nesi's chart is referring to the news sections of those sources, not, eg, Hannity, Maddow, etc. As such, I find it pretty accurate. One could quibble that the WashPo has traditionally skewed more conservative than the chart shows. But I think it's still a reliable news source.

That may well be the case. Personally I could do without the talking heads on either side.
 
Jogeephus":1nnlngkc said:
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That may well be the case. Personally I could do without the talking heads on either side.

Totally agree. The advent of cable tv hurt America, imho. All of a sudden there were too many hours of programming to be filled, and talking heads are way cheaper than news divisions and investigative reporting. The "punditry class" play to our basest, hard-wired fears and worst instincts. Now we're at the point where people can't distinguish fact from opinion, and think the talk shows and talk radio are (objective) news....People are being manipulated 24/7 and don't realize. Or care.
 
Yep, there were a bunch of people up in a big eastern city that believed their talkin heads right up till about 11pm election night and now those same folks are all butthurt over their own gullibility.
 
greybeard":2tzs4cza said:
Yep, there were a bunch of people up in a big eastern city that believed their talkin heads right up till about 11pm election night and now those same folks are all butthurt over their own gullibility.

Yep, and they all believe they are center, just like the example here calling any of the networks center.

They are all left leaning. Calling CNN center is like me taring my bathroom scales with two 50 lb feed sack sitting on them. It might say I weigh 160 then placing me in a healthy BMI, but that just doesn't make it so. Gravity still pulls me down at a force of 260 lbs.

You can assign a position on a spectrum of all news stations. To label the median as center is a false statement. What is being labelled Center in that diagram has to be defined irrespective of the survey population of media outlets. Median does not equate to center.

The constitution- right to bear arms, no federally owned land except DC and military forts, the 10 th amendments asserting states rights, etc.. those are dead center. To go to the right is decreased government and continuing till you reach anarchy. To the left is where we exist today and continues till you reach full blown socialism, communism, then fascism which is the ultimate in state control.

Show me a single network that reports the actions of the federal government in the context of the Constitutions and the very real limitations it prescribes on the federal government. None exist.

Fox is right of many, but left of center. Your personal bias and our countries current positions are are not references in which to judge other data. These fluxuate in time.

The gold standard and only reference point to judge from is the constitution.
 
Thanks for making my point, CF.


(And calling Fox left of center is an......interesting position).

Do you really think it's a centrist position to argue that the fed government should hold no land other than DC and military bases? Just as one example, there is huge bipartisan support for the national parks.

I'll stop now so as to not get into politics and get the thread tossed....
 
boondocks":3vv4c0b4 said:
Thanks for making my point, CF.


(And calling Fox left of center is an......interesting position).

Do you really think it's a centrist position to argue that the fed government should hold no land other than DC and military bases? Just as one example, there is huge bipartisan support for the national parks.

I'll stop now so as to not get into politics and get the thread tossed....

If you believe in the constitution then absolutely all lands not stated to own by the Federal government should be owned and governed by the states
I often said if Hitler had our media with his propaganda he would have won.
 
Commercialfarmer":2hzrg9ix said:
greybeard":2hzrg9ix said:
Yep, there were a bunch of people up in a big eastern city that believed their talkin heads right up till about 11pm election night and now those same folks are all butthurt over their own gullibility.

Yep, and they all believe they are center, just like the example here calling any of the networks center.

They are all left leaning. Calling CNN center is like me taring my bathroom scales with two 50 lb feed sack sitting on them. It might say I weigh 160 then placing me in a healthy BMI, but that just doesn't make it so. Gravity still pulls me down at a force of 260 lbs.

You can assign a position on a spectrum of all news stations. To label the median as center is a false statement. What is being labelled Center in that diagram has to be defined irrespective of the survey population of media outlets. Median does not equate to center.

The constitution- right to bear arms, no federally owned land except DC and military forts, the 10 th amendments asserting states rights, etc.. those are dead center. To go to the right is decreased government and continuing till you reach anarchy. To the left is where we exist today and continues till you reach full blown socialism, communism, then fascism which is the ultimate in state control.

Show me a single network that reports the actions of the federal government in the context of the Constitutions and the very real limitations it prescribes on the federal government. None exist.

Fox is right of many, but left of center. Your personal bias and our countries current positions are are not references in which to judge other data. These fluxuate in time.

The gold standard and only reference point to judge from is the constitution.

OUTSTANDING POST....AND THIS TIME I AM YELLING.....
 
boondocks":1d5khcn5 said:
Thanks for making my point, CF.


(And calling Fox left of center is an......interesting position).

Do you really think it's a centrist position to argue that the fed government should hold no land other than DC and military bases? Just as one example, there is huge bipartisan support for the national parks.

I'll stop now so as to not get into politics and get the thread tossed....

I'm all about taking the national parks and giving them back to the states that owned them in the first place. Public land is a good thing if it's controlled by the public of the state it's in. It's not right that people from 500 counties around the country could or should be able to establish national parks in any state. We the people have some control over our state's decisions and direction. We have little to no control over what DC does.
 

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