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No Rest Farm":1dpztv7n said:
We have become urban vs rural. And some of the wealthiest areas vote for democrats
What do they know that we don't?
Or
Is it wealth that votes for Democrats or urban populations that have greater concentrations of people, poor and wealthy?
 

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IT IS URBAN VERSUS RURAL....
The democrats get both ends of it....the upscale and the lower end....in all the metropolitan areas....
what amazes me is how many middle class they get to swing that way as well....
 

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We have three more days and then through the next few months we will find out what will happen. All of us are in the same boat and I hope it does not spring any leaks. Good are bad we will survive better of or worse it will affect all of us.
 
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I'm still wondering who pays the most in taxes? A lot of the wealthy don't pay a lot in taxes, look no further than our new president. And I know a whole bunch of the freeloaders and deadbeats don't pay taxes. My feelings are that the rural population tax dollars are helping carry the urban areas?
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/17/trump-america-rural-urban-divide

Clinton won 487 counties, and Trump won 2,626 counties. It's really sad how far apart we are as a country. I wonder if the folks in the 487 counties pay more taxes than those who live in the 2,626 counties?
Wonder what the taxes are in a place like NYC and downtown LA or San Francisco?
 

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I'm still wondering who pays the most in taxes? A lot of the wealthy don't pay a lot in taxes, look no further than our new president. And I know a whole bunch of the freeloaders and deadbeats don't pay taxes. My feelings are that the rural population tax dollars are helping carry the urban areas?
Loving County Texas has 82 people. Bet they carry the burden for anybody.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_t ... e_by_state
 

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We have three more days and then through the next few months we will find out what will happen. All of us are in the same boat and I hope it does not spring any leaks. Good are bad we will survive better of or worse it will affect all of us.

We survived the "Obama Experiment" so we can survive anything.

Hopefully we learned our lesson with him.
 

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True Grit Farms":37yc4doq said:
I'm still wondering who pays the most in taxes? A lot of the wealthy don't pay a lot in taxes, look no further than our new president. And I know a whole bunch of the freeloaders and deadbeats don't pay taxes. My feelings are that the rural population tax dollars are helping carry the urban areas?
With the layered tax system everyone pays some tax . If you shop corporations collect for the government they don't pay taxes as their taxes are included in the purchase price
Not saying it's fair I have often wondered if we went to a national sales tax with no tax forms no deductions how many would still have a bovine standing in the pasture
 

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I would....it would be the only way I could afford meat....is to raise it myself....probably have to start butchering it myself again as well....

the day they go to a sales tax the price on everything will go up by the percentage of the tax...

not saying it is a bad thing and the economy would balance itself out over time....but the immediate effect would be price hikes by adding the tax to the existing price.

if they go to a sales tax then it should be capped at ten percent and the government should have to live within its means.

I know...I am not being realistic....but a man can have dreams....
 

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If we went with a national sales tax it's true that there would be an immediate increase in the cost of goods and services, but since we weren't paying income tax we'd have more money to spend, so I wouldn't think that would be an issue. And think of how simple it would be if we didn't have to file income tax forms. I know there would be a lot of CPAs and lawyers out of work, but they'd find something else to do. And it would encourage people to save money since you wouldn't be paying taxes on investments or savings.

I'll be the first to admit that I'm not an economist, or very smart, but I'm thinking it might not be a bad deal.
 
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I'm good on leaving the tax system the way it is now and just balancing the budget. Then add a sales tax to everything and put the money raised straight towards paying the deficit down. I can't imagine leaving my kids in debt when I die, but there's no way around it thanks to the government crooks.
 

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SIMMGAL":3vyou2bi said:
True Grit Farms":3vyou2bi said:
My feelings are that the rural population tax dollars are helping carry the urban areas?

I agree! :roll:


Are we talking facts or "feelings?" If we're talking facts:
Nope. Generally speaking, it's the other way around. See, eg, http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... rs/361668/

It's one of the little ironies of modern society that everyone "feels" they are paying more than their share. If one considers facts, as opposed to feelings, red states (which tend to be more rural as a general rule) get back more from Uncle Sam than they put in; and the reverse is generally true for blue states (which tend to be more urban as a general rule).

On a state-based level, at least in NY, the money flows from the city to the rural areas: http://www.rockinst.org/observations/wa ... tting.aspx
I would be willing to bet that's true in other states as well. An interesting one to look at may be Ga?
 

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True Grit Farms":3iclr4lm said:
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/17/trump-america-rural-urban-divide

Clinton won 487 counties, and Trump won 2,626 counties. It's really sad how far apart we are as a country. I wonder if the folks in the 487 counties pay more taxes than those who live in the 2,626 counties?

Are counties people? Last I heard they don't vote. Are you saying people in urban areas should only get a fraction of a vote? Three fifths maybe?
 

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boondocks":37s0vfxu said:
SIMMGAL":37s0vfxu said:
True Grit Farms":37s0vfxu said:
My feelings are that the rural population tax dollars are helping carry the urban areas?

I agree! :roll:


Are we talking facts or "feelings?" If we're talking facts:
Nope. Generally speaking, it's the other way around. See, eg, http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... rs/361668/

It's one of the little ironies of modern society that everyone "feels" they are paying more than their share. If one considers facts, as opposed to feelings, red states (which tend to be more rural as a general rule) get back more from Uncle Sam than they put in; and the reverse is generally true for blue states (which tend to be more urban as a general rule).

On a state-based level, at least in NY, the money flows from the city to the rural areas: http://www.rockinst.org/observations/wa ... tting.aspx
I would be willing to bet that's true in other states as well. An interesting one to look at may be Ga?

I happen to know that no one living in Chicago :yuck: pays any real estate tax. So I know for a fact that I am paying more in taxes to the State then someone living in Chicago.

No feelings needed.
 

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sim.-ang.king":w0esqjeq said:
boondocks":w0esqjeq said:
SIMMGAL":w0esqjeq said:
I agree! :roll:


Are we talking facts or "feelings?" If we're talking facts:
Nope. Generally speaking, it's the other way around. See, eg, http://www.theatlantic.com/business/arc ... rs/361668/

It's one of the little ironies of modern society that everyone "feels" they are paying more than their share. If one considers facts, as opposed to feelings, red states (which tend to be more rural as a general rule) get back more from Uncle Sam than they put in; and the reverse is generally true for blue states (which tend to be more urban as a general rule).

On a state-based level, at least in NY, the money flows from the city to the rural areas: http://www.rockinst.org/observations/wa ... tting.aspx
I would be willing to bet that's true in other states as well. An interesting one to look at may be Ga?

I happen to know that no one living in Chicago :yuck: pays any real estate tax. So I know for a fact that I am paying more in taxes to the State then someone living in Chicago.

No feelings needed.

I think (hope?) you're jesting? Lived in Chicago (burb) for a decade (moved a few years ago) and my property taxes were over a grand a month on a 3BR house (bungalow) with a bath and half, tiny back yard. Had part ownership of a small biz in the city and you better believe our rent reflected the very high taxes there. And don't get me started on sales tax; transfer taxes, etc etc.
 

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I think the money typically flows OUT of urban centers.. just the cost of highways and infrastructure in rural areas is staggering.

I don't think a flat sales tax is good.. income tax is a fair way to do it, with different tax brackets, however I totally agree that the gov't should be forced to live within its means..
Take our local "election year" handout.. A piece of a major highway is sinking into the river.. the stretch is about 500 ft long... Any guesses as to how much they're going to spend on it?

Here's a link to what's happening
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-c ... -1.3793821

And here's the bill for it
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news ... uge-relief

The local water filtration plant cost 20 million for 2000 inhabitants
Talk about living within your means?
 

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