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Rafter S":x51wv0jh said:
True Grit Farms":x51wv0jh said:
Some of us don't vote on only one issue M5. Voter fraud played a major role in 2000, 2008, and 2012. But the normal people acted normal. There was plenty of fraud this time also, just not enough to sway the results. IMO
Peaceful protesting is one thing, once someone starts terrorizing people and property they need to be treated as a terrorist.

Do you have some information to support those statements?

look at the left coast , 3 blue states do not require voter ID and the POTUS was on national TV advocating Illegals to vote
 
Rafter S":v4ib3lmv said:
True Grit Farms":v4ib3lmv said:
Some of us don't vote on only one issue M5. Voter fraud played a major role in 2000, 2008, and 2012. But the normal people acted normal. There was plenty of fraud this time also, just not enough to sway the results. IMO
Peaceful protesting is one thing, once someone starts terrorizing people and property they need to be treated as a terrorist.

Do you have some information to support those statements?

No but Gore got gored by the Bush brothers. IMO When is the last time you heard about Acorn, or Mickey Mouse, and dead folks voting? The media isn't going to put anything out there that might help our newly elected president. Who just so happened to talk alot about voter fraud, and that helped prevent some of it. IMO
 
Rafter S":8ku2l8fd said:
True Grit Farms":8ku2l8fd said:
Some of us don't vote on only one issue M5. Voter fraud played a major role in 2000, 2008, and 2012. But the normal people acted normal. There was plenty of fraud this time also, just not enough to sway the results. IMO
Peaceful protesting is one thing, once someone starts terrorizing people and property they need to be treated as a terrorist.

Do you have some information to support those statements?

No but Gore got gored by the Bush brothers. IMO When is the last time you heard about Acorn, or Mickey Mouse, and dead folks voting? The media isn't going to put anything out there that might help our newly elected president. Who just so happened to talk alot about voter fraud, and that helped prevent some of it. IMO
 
I think the number of fraudulent votes is exaggerated.. sure, it probably happens, and it probably happens on both sides to an extent.. One article I read was a huge shortage of polling booths available in some predominantly blue areas causing lineups that lasted hours, and some people turning home.. Would it have really made a difference in the result of the election? probably not, though it's the principle of it that's disturbing
 
M-5":4ia2hol9 said:
Commercialfarmer":4ia2hol9 said:
dun":4ia2hol9 said:
Heard the USA referred to as the "Divided States of America".

I'm afraid that is about right at the moment. I'm also afraid it's getting a nudge by some under handed folks trying to fuel the fire.

People can be divided in multiple ways, I sure don't like it.

Bullshyt -- Look at the Map Left coast is divided and the north east , The hand full of states that were blue only meant the large cities controlled it. We are not the minority YET some to insure we don't become it we need to fix the issues and a lot the kids doing the protest will grow up over the next 4 yrs

Hold on a minute. I take divided to mean between the people, not that the states are split evenly. Total vote count had a difference of about 200k. At least that many were fraudulent, but in reality, the total vote count is NEAR even because of the populous cities. Because we have a system geared to give all states a more even share in the decision, the majority is still on the side of personal freedom.

But look at the issues that are being stirred as dividers of the people- race, income, sexual orientation- all things that the central government should be blind to. But our population is being divided over and over. Too many people are making decisions on special interests and not what is best for the whole. Yes there are some college protesters, but there are many paid protesters- something is very, very wrong with that. I agree, the college kids will one day grow up, like we all have. Its the violent race baiters, globalization pushers and the fascists in sheeps clothing that concern me. And they have a lot of foreign financial backing.
 
Nesikep":39dsz543 said:
I think the number of fraudulent votes is exaggerated.. sure, it probably happens, and it probably happens on both sides to an extent.. One article I read was a huge shortage of polling booths available in some predominantly blue areas causing lineups that lasted hours, and some people turning home.. Would it have really made a difference in the result of the election? probably not, though it's the principle of it that's disturbing

I disagree in part- When the government has been weaponized and set to plunder, there is much to be made from fraud. I don't believe it is exaggerated. I believe it is very under represented.

I agree that it happens on both sides, but believe that one side has a significant advantage as the other side cannot legally ensure voting integrity or prevent voter fraud throughout much of the US:

In 1981, during the gubernatorial election in New Jersey (NJ), a lawsuit was brought against the RNC, the NJ Republican State Committee (RSC), and three individuals (John A. Kelly, Ronald Kaufman, and Alex Hurtado), accusing them of violating the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (VRA), 42 U.S.C. §§ 1971, 1973, and the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the Constitution of the United States.

The lawsuit was brought by the Democratic National Committee (DNC), the NJ Democratic State Committee (DSC), and two individuals (Virginia L. Peggins and Lynette Monroe).

The lawsuit alleged that:

The RNC and RSC targeted minority voters in New Jersey in an effort to intimidate them.
The RNC created a voter challenge list by mailing sample ballots to individuals in precincts with a high percentage of racial or ethnic minority registered voters. Then the RNC put the names of individuals whose postcards were returned as undeliverable on a list of voters to challenge at the polls.
The RNC enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs and police officers with "National Ballot Security Task Force" armbands, to intimidate voters by standing at polling places in minority precincts during voting. Some of the officers allegedly wore firearms in a visible manner.
To settle the lawsuit, in 1982 — while Ronald Reagan was President (1981-1989) — the RNC and RSC entered into an agreement or Consent Decree, which is national in scope, limiting the RNC's ability to engage or assist in voter fraud prevention unless the RNC obtains the court's approval in advance. The following is what the RNC and RSC, in the Consent Decree, agreed they would do:

n the future, in all states and territories of the United States:

(a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;

(b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause said signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;

(c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;

(d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

(f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.

The RNC also agreed that the RNC, its agents, servants, and employees would be bound by the Decree, "whether acting directly or indirectly through other party committees."

As modified in 1987, the Consent Decree defined "ballot security activities" to mean "ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud."

Since 1982, that Consent Decree has been renewed every year by the original judge, Carter appointee District Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise, now 88 years old. Long retired, Debevoise comes back yearly for the sole purpose of renewing his 1982 order for another year.
 

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