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One of thing that I find that is missed in talking about rotational grazing is that with rotational grazing you get to see how much grass you have and where it grows. Just knowing how much feed you have justifies rotational grazing.
And you don't notice that your grass volume is increasing as you do it. I had not noticed the thickness compared to 2 years ago. But there isnt any perfect system and variation is necessary, just as nature never does the same thing. Imo.
 
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And you don't notice that your grass volume is increasing as you do it. I had not noticed the thickness compared to 2 years ago. But there isnt any perfect system and variation is necessary, just as nature never does the same thing. Imo.
What is your climate like and how long are your rotations. It is hard to quantify an increase in production year to year due to variations in climate. What I have noticed is a shift in from less palatable species to more favorable perennial grasses and legumes. That does require have cows that can eat the poorer quality feed.
 
What is your climate like and how long are your rotations. It is hard to quantify an increase in production year to year due to variations in climate. What I have noticed is a shift in from less palatable species to more favorable perennial grasses and legumes. That does require have cows that can eat the poorer quality feed.
It rains 9 months of the year so 3 months dry. We get 78 inches a year. During the wet we try to keep rest periods to approx 21 days and about 35 days during the dry. Our native grass is called cogon or imperata cylindrica. Our legume mixed in is stylo. Our challenge is parasite load cause of the long wet. We run Brahmans only.
 
I would recommend that you read Johann Zietsman's Man Cattle and Veld. His advice is worthwhile for tropical grazing. He advocates non selective grazing with a long rotation. His system is to use half the pasture on a 21 day rotation during the growing to keep the quality up and the other half is stockpiled for the dry season.
 
I would recommend that you read Johann Zietsman's Man Cattle and Veld. His advice is worthwhile for tropical grazing. He advocates non selective grazing with a long rotation. His system is to use half the pasture on a 21 day rotation during the growing to keep the quality up and the other half is stockpiled for the dry season.
Thank you. Believe it or not I am reading it now. Hahaha. You must be a mind reader.
 
I really don't see the logic in cutting hay, baling hay, hauling the hay, feeding the hay and then hauling off the manure. Would it be simpler to leave the hay in the field and move the cows to the hay?
I have some friends in Northern Alberta who feed less hay than many of my neighbors in California. They winter their cows on standing corn and it is now cheaper for them to winter cows than to summer them.
 
I really don't see the logic in cutting hay, baling hay, hauling the hay, feeding the hay and then hauling off the manure. Would it be simpler to leave the hay in the field and move the cows to the hay?
I have some friends in Northern Alberta who feed less hay than many of my neighbors in California. They winter their cows on standing corn and it is now cheaper for them to winter cows than to summer them.
Did your friends say what it costs to plant an acre of corn including all the tillage and inputs?
 
I really don't see the logic in cutting hay, baling hay, hauling the hay, feeding the hay and then hauling off the manure. Would it be simpler to leave the hay in the field and move the cows to the hay?
I have some friends in Northern Alberta who feed less hay than many of my neighbors in California. They winter their cows on standing corn and it is now cheaper for them to winter cows than to summer them.
Those of us who have open range and put up hay use the regrowth on the fields for grazing when cattle return home in the fall. Would not be the brightest idea to leave the bales out.
Many of us do then feed those bales back onto the hay land during the winter.
 
Did your friends say what it costs to plant an acre of corn including all the tillage and inputs?
If the corn is going to be planted anyways and it's a crop that gets harvested and the stalks are just waste product... then does it matter? Of course if it's planted just for the cows to graze you have a point.
 
If the corn is going to be planted anyways and it's a crop that gets harvested and the stalks are just waste product... then does it matter? Of course if it's planted just for the cows to graze you have a point.
In northern Alberta you don't grow corn for harvest.
There are people that plant corn to graze the whole plant, cobs and all. But it certainly isn't cheap.
 
By my math he's planting corn for about $205 per acre. That's taking 250 cows x $.85 per day = $212 per day. He said 7-10 days per 6-7 acre paddock so 8.5 days x $212 = $1,802. Take that number and divide by the 6.5 acres = $277 per acre CAD. So about $205 per acre. My math might have taken a wrong turn. I haven't planted corn but this number seems really low. Anyone know what it costs to plat an acre of corn including tillage, fertilizer, seed, herbicide etc?
 
I really don't see the logic in cutting hay, baling hay, hauling the hay, feeding the hay and then hauling off the manure. Would it be simpler to leave the hay in the field and move the cows to the hay?
I have some friends in Northern Alberta who feed less hay than many of my neighbors in California. They winter their cows on standing corn and it is now cheaper for them to winter cows than to summer them.
I've always found hay to be more cooperative to move than cows. Just stays where you leave it, no fences or gates or nothing. I only have a small "herd" but I imagine that scales up. But I imagine it would depend on the situation. One continuous parcel, sure divvy up and graze on. A few leased acres here and there down the road a ways, haying would be easier to move and wouldn't require any infrastructure to do so. But I'm in the east, so parcels are smaller and broken up by housing developments and other farms, so an errant bale roaming a neighborhood won't cause quite the commotion an errant bull would.
 

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