I Hate Em

If you kill the sow with young piglets, and they survive on their own... they were the ones with the strongest instinct and ability to accomplish that... so they then become the breeders... generating that strong survival instinct in their offspring.... Gotta get as many as you can, is about all you can do. I sure hope that the environmentalists won't start suggesting that we NEED feral hogs in certain numbers...
 
If you kill the sow with young piglets, and they survive on their own... they were the ones with the strongest instinct and ability to accomplish that... so they then become the breeders... generating that strong survival instinct in their offspring.... Gotta get as many as you can, is about all you can do. I sure hope that the environmentalists won't start suggesting that we NEED feral hogs in certain numbers...
I consider myself something of an environmentalist. I like clean air, water, and healthy wildlife habitat. But some environmentalists seem to believe that if it can be described as an environmental problem... then they are obligated to climb on the bandwagon regardless of how realistic the problem is.
The problem of our day is that so many people decide extremes are the only way to live a productive life... when half of what they support is complete garbage.
 
I consider myself something of an environmentalist. I like clean air, water, and healthy wildlife habitat. But some environmentalists seem to believe that if it can be described as an environmental problem... then they are obligated to climb on the bandwagon regardless of how realistic the problem is.
The problem of our day is that so many people decide extremes are the only way to live a productive life... when half of what they support is complete garbage.
@Travlr , I consider myself to be an "environmentalist" too... I want a healthy, vibrant environment just as much as the next guy. I see "grassland birds" as "canary in the coal mine" species for us, and recognize the huge loss of them in the past 50+ years, because of our transition to row crops on so much of what had been "grasslands". Our environment is suffering and will suffer for a long time because of this, IMO. It's not suffering so much because we've lost those birds... but because of the loss of environmental biological processes in general, which those birds require to thrive. They were here to indicate to us that "all is well"........... they've been lost to a large degree... telling us that "all is no longer well" with our environment... and WE are going to suffer in many ways... including dying as a direct result of what we've been doing and how we've (as a species) been managing.

It's not JUST agriculture that needs to change it's ways... but we... agriculture... ARE a huge part of the problem.
 
@Travlr , I consider myself to be an "environmentalist" too... I want a healthy, vibrant environment just as much as the next guy. I see "grassland birds" as "canary in the coal mine" species for us, and recognize the huge loss of them in the past 50+ years, because of our transition to row crops on so much of what had been "grasslands". Our environment is suffering and will suffer for a long time because of this, IMO. It's not suffering so much because we've lost those birds... but because of the loss of environmental biological processes in general, which those birds require to thrive. They were here to indicate to us that "all is well"........... they've been lost to a large degree... telling us that "all is no longer well" with our environment... and WE are going to suffer in many ways... including dying as a direct result of what we've been doing and how we've (as a species) been managing.

It's not JUST agriculture that needs to change it's ways... but we... agriculture... ARE a huge part of the problem.
It's amazing to me how many birds are gone. I've noticed the decreases in numbers but never had a real grasp, thinking that perhaps it was just local. But within the last few days I found out that Meadowlarks have crashed, losing roughly 130 MILLION in the last decade.
We noticed a big decline about five years ago. Placed where we would walk and see/hear five or six Meadowlarks in a mile were suddenly quiet. We'll see a bird early in the year and then it's gone.
And you are exactly correct about the canary in the coalmine. The poisons we use don't just affect the less than one percent of insects that destroy crops... they kill ALL insects and then spread over areas where crops are not being grown.
 
It's amazing to me how many birds are gone. I've noticed the decreases in numbers but never had a real grasp, thinking that perhaps it was just local. But within the last few days I found out that Meadowlarks have crashed, losing roughly 130 MILLION in the last decade.
We noticed a big decline about five years ago. Placed where we would walk and see/hear five or six Meadowlarks in a mile were suddenly quiet. We'll see a bird early in the year and then it's gone.
And you are exactly correct about the canary in the coalmine. The poisons we use don't just affect the less than one percent of insects that destroy crops... they kill ALL insects and then spread over areas where crops are not being grown.
Just in the last two years since I've been "regeneratively farming"... abandoned row cropping, seeded everything down and am grazing it, I'm seeing actual Meadowlarks occasionally again... fairly common to see the smaller Eastern Meadowlark... different song than the Western. Before doing that though, in 25+ years of living here, 0. They were one of the VERY common meadow birds when I was growing up. Barn swallows are still somewhat "commonplace", but their population nationally has dropped off about 70% compared to the 1960's. Bluebirds and Bobolinks... quail in our area, even the Ruffed Grouse, which is a bit more of a woodland grass nesting bird, is gone. Used to hunt them every year as a teenager, and hear their thumping all summer long, and they were plentiful. I expect that the coyotes, which came in after the DNR transplanted turkeys here, are getting alot of them. I never saw a coyote when I was growing up. Plenty of turkeys around though now. And more pheasants than there used to be... I see them ALL the time now. Pheasants aren't a "native bird" here though... imported from China as I understand it.
 
Just in the last two years since I've been "regeneratively farming"... abandoned row cropping, seeded everything down and am grazing it, I'm seeing actual Meadowlarks occasionally again... fairly common to see the smaller Eastern Meadowlark... different song than the Western. Before doing that though, in 25+ years of living here, 0. They were one of the VERY common meadow birds when I was growing up. Barn swallows are still somewhat "commonplace", but their population nationally has dropped off about 70% compared to the 1960's. Bluebirds and Bobolinks... quail in our area, even the Ruffed Grouse, which is a bit more of a woodland grass nesting bird, is gone. Used to hunt them every year as a teenager, and hear their thumping all summer long, and they were plentiful. I expect that the coyotes, which came in after the DNR transplanted turkeys here, are getting alot of them. I never saw a coyote when I was growing up. Plenty of turkeys around though now. And more pheasants than there used to be... I see them ALL the time now. Pheasants aren't a "native bird" here though... imported from China as I understand it.
Being in Minnesota you may not be aware of the pine beetle damage out west. Literally 80/90% of the fuel in the California fires is trees killed by pine beetles. And as a kid I'd walk in the forests and hear woodpeckers constantly, sometimes in several directions at a time. Now it's unusual to hear a woodpecker. I might hear a couple in a day... but there are silent days too.
 

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