I got bamboozled!

[Brute 23]

The guys I buy from usually have a binder or sheet or some thing I, the buyer, holds with their reg#, epds, dob, price, etc.

My Angus guy sells reg Angus and some 1/2 and 1/4 bloods. They are clearly marked.

If the do not hand you some thing like that I would see it as a red flag. I want to see that reg# and price fixed before we start talking.

 

[Katpau]

All of my records are stored online, so I don't have actual papers in hand unless I request them. However it is a simple chore to log-in and see everything. When I sell a bull or transfer a calf to another as a registered animal, I can log-in, pay the $5 fee and transfer ownership in less than a minute. While I won't have papers to show a buyer, I can easily download everything I need on my computer and print it out for the buyer right on the spot. I could even show you everything on my phone.

 

[Mrcopier]

I had an issue like this before and I went to the place that handles the registrations. They made it happen pretty quick

 

[Tumbleweed@23]

I'm confused here. Why isn't an old fashion bill of sale sufficient to prove that you bought the cattle?

 

[Katpau]

I'm confused here. Why isn't an old fashion bill of sale sufficient to prove that you bought the cattle?

The original poster was not looking for any proof that he had bought the bull. He was looking for proof that he had actually purchased a registered bull, which was what he paid for. A registered bull gives him the opportunity to look at the bulls EPD's and his pedigree. Those papers might answer questions such as "Is this bull a reasonable choice to breed to heifers?", "Is this bull likely to improve or ruin feet?", "Is this animal closely related to the cows in my herd and will using him result in inbreeding?" and many other questions.

 

[AldacoCattle]

I had an issue like this before and I went to the place that handles the registrations. They made it happen pretty quick

Did you just provide the name of the seller or how did you go about fixing the issue?

 

[Katpau]

If you have the name of the seller, you can probably go online yourself, and verify he is a member of AAA. If you know the prefix he uses, you could most likely look up all of the bulls and cows that he registered in the year your bull was born, and yours should be listed, assuming he has actually registered the bull. I would call American Angus at 816-383-5100 and ask them to verify that the bull seller is actually a AAA member and they can also help you see what bulls have been registered by that breeder.
I am wondering if perhaps they didn't bother to pay the fees to register the bull, hoping you wouldn't ask for papers. If they promised you a registered animal, and they can't provide you with a registration number, something is off. If you want to private message me with the sellers name, I would be happy to do a little research for you. Of course if their membership is in the name of a business or another name, it might make the search a little more difficult. The name and address on the ranch, should really be enough to find them most of the time
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[Tumbleweed@23]

The original poster was not looking for any proof that he had bought the bull. He was looking for proof that he had actually purchased a registered bull, which was what he paid for. A registered bull gives him the opportunity to look at the bulls EPD's and his pedigree. Those papers might answer questions such as "Is this bull a reasonable choice to breed to heifers?", "Is this bull likely to improve or ruin feet?", "Is this animal closely related to the cows in my herd and will using him result in inbreeding?" and many other questions.

Thank you for the info.

 

[kenny thomas]

I bought 2 bulls Thursday and the seller had printed off an updated copy of the papers with the EPD's for me to look at before buying them. Within 30 minutes after we left with the bulls the seller sent me a message that he had done the transfer online and i would be getting a paper copy soon. Thats how it should be.

 

[chaded]

I wouldn't count on the association taking care of the issue. If they do great, but the Red Angus Association will not get involved in anything like this. I'm not sure what other places do. I had an incident once with 10 registered females that I had started down the legal path with a lawyer. Thankfully it didn't come to that. Breeders should be providing this stuff in a timely fashion.

 

[Lucky]

If you do ever get the papers on this bull be sure to take an hour or so to study on them pretty good. Once you're done with the studying be sure and put them in an easily accessible space where they will never be looked at again.