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<blockquote data-quote="JMJ Farms" data-source="post: 1352368" data-attributes="member: 24583"><p>Im with you fenceman. 100%. Only a person who owns their own business and works for the public understands this. If I give you a price as a contractor, and you agree to the price as a customer, well that's about as fair as it gets. </p><p></p><p>Had a customer a couple of years ago. I usually contract labor and materials. This was an extensive remodel job on a very very old house. Long story short, I told him their was no possible way I could bid the total job because of the nature of the project. So I gave him a labor price per hour. $x for two guys, $x for three guys, and so on, depending on how many I had working. I also stated that I, myself, get paid regardless of whether I'm at the job site or not. I told him that I was furnishing the men, the tools, the liability, and the responsibility. We agreed. No problems. He was by the job several times a day so it's not like he wasn't able to observe progress. </p><p></p><p>Fast forward one month. He requested a DAILY, DETAILED list of how many employees I had working that day, what each one of them did that day, how much each one of them got paid, and how much I got paid. I told him it was none of his business how much I paid my employees and that I didn't have time to make his "list". He owns a retail business. I then told him that I didn't come in his business, buy a product, and then request to know how much his wholesale cost was, what was his profit, how much each employee made out of that profit and how much he made. I then asked him "do I get to buy it any cheaper if you're not here?" Needless to say he didn't like this. I finished with "we've been neighbors for 20 years. If you don't trust me then you need to find someone that you do trust and you and I need to go back to just being friends, before that's not an option anymore". So that's what we did. </p><p></p><p>Funny thing is he was absolutely amazed at the quality of work. Very satisfied. He is a successful businessman and he wanted to "run" my business. Ain't happening. </p><p></p><p>Last note. Everyone who has ever worked for him ran into very similar issues. However most would kiss his a$$ and go on because they knew the check would be good every Friday. I guess I've got too much pride. Sorry for writing a book.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="JMJ Farms, post: 1352368, member: 24583"] Im with you fenceman. 100%. Only a person who owns their own business and works for the public understands this. If I give you a price as a contractor, and you agree to the price as a customer, well that's about as fair as it gets. Had a customer a couple of years ago. I usually contract labor and materials. This was an extensive remodel job on a very very old house. Long story short, I told him their was no possible way I could bid the total job because of the nature of the project. So I gave him a labor price per hour. $x for two guys, $x for three guys, and so on, depending on how many I had working. I also stated that I, myself, get paid regardless of whether I'm at the job site or not. I told him that I was furnishing the men, the tools, the liability, and the responsibility. We agreed. No problems. He was by the job several times a day so it's not like he wasn't able to observe progress. Fast forward one month. He requested a DAILY, DETAILED list of how many employees I had working that day, what each one of them did that day, how much each one of them got paid, and how much I got paid. I told him it was none of his business how much I paid my employees and that I didn't have time to make his "list". He owns a retail business. I then told him that I didn't come in his business, buy a product, and then request to know how much his wholesale cost was, what was his profit, how much each employee made out of that profit and how much he made. I then asked him "do I get to buy it any cheaper if you're not here?" Needless to say he didn't like this. I finished with "we've been neighbors for 20 years. If you don't trust me then you need to find someone that you do trust and you and I need to go back to just being friends, before that's not an option anymore". So that's what we did. Funny thing is he was absolutely amazed at the quality of work. Very satisfied. He is a successful businessman and he wanted to "run" my business. Ain't happening. Last note. Everyone who has ever worked for him ran into very similar issues. However most would kiss his a$$ and go on because they knew the check would be good every Friday. I guess I've got too much pride. Sorry for writing a book. [/QUOTE]
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