ANAZAZI":1cc3jecq said:He looks like a decent terminal angus bull, thicker than most and quite correct with no obvious flaws.
yep, looks like there something else beside angus......and if there is what do you hope to gain ...3waycross":3mx3v65h said:ANAZAZI":3mx3v65h said:He looks like a decent terminal angus bull, thicker than most and quite correct with no obvious flaws.
If that's a pure Angus bull how can you say he has no obvious flaws. His sheath alone is way below acceptable, is it not. Even from these pictures you can see that he is very high flanked ,and does not display musch capacity.
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAnd I ain't sayin NUTHIN about his rear end.
DOC HARRIS":2c0881bx said:When analyzing or judging an animal, one uses the information that is right in front of your face at the moment - not some subjective assumption that he will have PLENTY of round when he fills out! He might be thicker, have a wider rear stance, have a more masculine head, more of a crest, heavier bone and he might even have a wider, more dished face - WHEN he fills out. But we are judging him right NOW, and he has several 'flaws' - right NOW, which have been alluded to -right NOW.
We must judge seedstock AS THEY ARE at the moment. We can hope, wish, assume, pretend that they are something that they are not, and the only result that will achieve is a disappointment later on when the genes dictate what the ultimate end will reveal.
Beef breeding and manipulating genes is a tough business, and being "barn blind" and wishing for the best by "waiting to see what happens" gets you NO WHERE! My suggestion is for breeder's to get as much information regarding analysis and judging seedstock beef animals as possible, establish a PERFECT ANIMAL PATTERN or TEMPLATE in your mind's eye, and THEN compare every animal that you see to that PERFECT PATTERN. If it is satisfactory to you for your model, then you know what you have. If it is NOT up to the model that you have for your PERFECT EXAMPLE, determine WHY it doesn't come up to your expectations, and look for one that DOES fit the pattern!
This bull DOES NOT fit my mental image of a herd improving seedstock breeding bull - for several of the reasons I have mentioned above! And I have not mentioned ALL of them.
Don't get mad. Get EDUCATIED!
DOC HARRIS
DOC HARRIS":1mo565vb said:When analyzing or judging an animal, one uses the information that is right in front of your face at the moment - not some subjective assumption that he will have PLENTY of round when he fills out! He might be thicker, have a wider rear stance, have a more masculine head, more of a crest, heavier bone and he might even have a wider, more dished face - WHEN he fills out. But we are judging him right NOW, and he has several 'flaws' - right NOW, which have been alluded to -right NOW.
We must judge seedstock AS THEY ARE at the moment. We can hope, wish, assume, pretend that they are something that they are not, and the only result that will achieve is a disappointment later on when the genes dictate what the ultimate end will reveal.
Beef breeding and manipulating genes is a tough business, and being "barn blind" and wishing for the best by "waiting to see what happens" gets you NO WHERE! My suggestion is for breeder's to get as much information regarding analysis and judging seedstock beef animals as possible, establish a PERFECT ANIMAL PATTERN or TEMPLATE in your mind's eye, and THEN compare every animal that you see to that PERFECT PATTERN. If it is satisfactory to you for your model, then you know what you have. If it is NOT up to the model that you have for your PERFECT EXAMPLE, determine WHY it doesn't come up to your expectations, and look for one that DOES fit the pattern!
This bull DOES NOT fit my mental image of a herd improving seedstock breeding bull - for several of the reasons I have mentioned above! And I have not mentioned ALL of them.
Don't get mad. Get EDUCATIED!
DOC HARRIS