How do us conservatives settle on 2nd amendment rights

[TennesseeTuxedo]

Doesn't the fact someone attained their concealed carry permit satisfy licensing requirements in Leach's example?

 

[M-5]

Doesn't the fact someone attained their concealed carry permit satisfy licensing requirements in Leach's example?

Im sure all then gang bangers in Chicago have their CC permit. What people don't understand is ONLY LAW ABBIDING CITIZENS are gonna follow the rules. IT is STUPID to enact any more regulations. I will go as far as saying ALL gun legislation should be abolished. we could even the playing field some then.

 

[cow pollinater]

California already requires some training to LEGALLY purchase firearms. But in my recent conversations with law enforcement the only reason to even have a serial number on a gun is so that they can return it to whomever it was stolen from when they catch the criminal carrying it. Maybe they need to come up with a class to teach gun safety to criminals before they are allowed to steal guns... That should take care of it.

 

[ram]

It's hard to fathom that a legal gun owner would want more legislation on guns. It just makes no sense to me. We need the death penalty for criminals that use guns.

 

[M.Magis]

I was listening to sports radio in the truck today, they were interviewing Mike Leach. Mike Leach is the Washington St football coach, they are playing the Ducks on Saturday. The host asked him about steps toward gun control, Leach is a big time hunter and fisherman. He had a suggestion I thought was good, to paraphrase his words; we as Americans have to pass and receive a license to operate a car, same for a boat, same for a plane, we have to carry that license for proof of passing a test making us legal to operate said dangerous device. Why is it we can't do the same for firearms? We don't have to provide proof of shooting accuracy, just that we know basic knowledge, the difference between a rifle and a shotgun, difference between a revolver and a semi, where the safety is and how to operate, how to load and unload, how to check if it is loaded or not.... Etc. he said it's not to check for mental illness but just to meet and make sure gun owners know what they are buying and doing. Too many new gun owners buying weapons and not knowing cr@p about them.

For the most part I like it, study firearms and pass a test just like a vehicle. Both deadly, both may need proof of passing a test and understanding basic operations.

Let's assume everyone agrees and we went with that. Though I don't agree, and don't see it ever happening. But let's pretend. How does that change what happened? It wasn't a gun safety issue. There's simply no way to prevent people from trying these types of things. The question in America shouldn't be "How do we prevent this from happening", because we can't. The question should be "How do we protect ourselves from these people". I think the answer is obvious, more armed citizens.

 

[Alan]

I just thought it was an interesting point of view and an intriguing thought by Leach, but I agree it has plenty of flaws. I do believe the answer lays in education to the masses on gun safety and proper handling......... But then how do you educate those not wanting to learn? You can't.

 

[M-5]

I just thought it was an interesting point of view and an intriguing thought by Leach, but I agree it has plenty of flaws. I do believe the answer lays in education to the masses on gun safety and proper handling......... But then how do you educate those not wanting to learn? You can't.

I understand your view, But what makes him an expert that warrants his opinion in the media. its hair brained ideas like his that feed the public against guns.

 

[Alan]

I just thought it was an interesting point of view and an intriguing thought by Leach, but I agree it has plenty of flaws. I do believe the answer lays in education to the masses on gun safety and proper handling......... But then how do you educate those not wanting to learn? You can't.

I understand your view, But what makes him an expert that warrants his opinion in the media. its hair brained ideas like his that feed the public against guns.

It's hard for me to argue Leaches comments weren't via a media outlet. To put in perspective, Leach was on a local sports radio show to talk about the upcoming Washington St Oregon game this Saturday. The radio host while a gun owner is a bit of a lib, with the recent school shooting and the host knowing Leach is a big hunter and fisherman asked him about his thoughts on preventing more shooting like we just had. I don't like the host to much, he's a bit of a lib and doesn't stay unbiased about his views but he's the only game in town at his time slot. BTW they also spent a chunk of time talking about good pizza joints in Portland, Leach has a daughter who live in the Portland area and spends some time here. It was just a question on local radio show.

 

[M-5]

ALAN, just turn off that host and tune into Lars Larson . He can get you focused on the right side.

 

[Alan]

ALAN, just turn off that host and tune into Lars Larson . He can get you focused on the right side.

:lol: :lol: I used to listen to Lars a lot but after a while it seemed like he just kept pounding the same drum as load as he could, he gave me a headache. Lars did have a guns on campus incident a few years back. Lars is a big cc supporter, in fact he carries daily and he make sure he everyone knows he does. He was invited to speak at a local college but in the invitation it stated he was welcomed but his gun had to stay off campus. Of course he spoke for days about his right to carry and a school is public property, by law they cannot ban guns. Long story short he took his gun to school, cops were called and he was asked to leav campus....... Which gave him more material for his show.

Like most radio host trying to make it big, he's a shock jock.

 

[Brute 23]

There is no compromise.

In fact there are some gun laws that need to be gotten rid of. The idea that you can't buy a handgun until you are 21 is non-sense.

That coach needs to stick to talking about football. People get their drivers licenses pulled all the time and they still drive.

People are going to break the laws no matter what. You need to enforce the current rules and have safety measures in place for when they break the rules.

 

[Jlane]

It's hard to fathom that a legal gun owner would want more legislation on guns. It just makes no sense to me. We need the death penalty for criminals that use guns.

So you would be okay with getting the death penalty if you used a gun to defend yourself and would by some chance were found guilty of a crime in the process?

 

[ram]

Yes I would. It would make everyone think twice before they pull or use a gun. A gun is not a toy, and shouldn't be treated as one.

 

[Jogeephus]

I'm fine with that too. Sure the courts make mistakes but these are rare.

The system we have is too lax when the crime involves a weapon and I'll give you a personal example. My father was shot on Christmas eve by two guys who had just been released from prison three days earlier. The two fine gentlemen were serving life sentences for the very same crime. Life is 21 years. You only do a third of your sentence which makes it 7 years. They got out in four because they were "rehabilitated". BTW - after going back to prison they were released seven years later and these fine gentleman are out on the street today. Who knows, they may be your neighbor or be the fellows that stop to help you fix your tire one night.

 

[Alan]

It's hard to fathom that a legal gun owner would want more legislation on guns. It just makes no sense to me. We need the death penalty for criminals that use guns.

So you would be okay with getting the death penalty if you used a gun to defend yourself and would by some chance were found guilty of a crime in the process?

If you were found guilty of a crime for defending yourself or home there's a good chance you were not within your legal rights.

 

[Red Bull Breeder]

Some folks seem to have a lot of trust in the legal system. Seem to forget things like the OJ Simpson trial.

 

[Caustic Burno]

Some folks seem to have a lot of trust in the legal system. Seem to forget things like the OJ Simpson trial.

The courts and the government are never the friend of the people.
Just more Tyrants that require constant feeding.
Go back in history Hitler used a lot of the same arguments to disarm the people.
That worked well for Germany.
We can never give an inch. The country didn't take this fork in the road until socialism got
up and running under LBJ. We should dig the sorry bastard up and hang him.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." ― Benjamin Franklin

 

[Caustic Burno]

I just thought it was an interesting point of view and an intriguing thought by Leach, but I agree it has plenty of flaws. I do believe the answer lays in education to the masses on gun safety and proper handling......... But then how do you educate those not wanting to learn? You can't.

I understand your view, But what makes him an expert that warrants his opinion in the media. its hair brained ideas like his that feed the public against guns.

Exactly when I went back to college in my 30's had to debate gun control then.
This debate is nothing knew just more sheeple in the country.
The professor put a idealistic young lady up against me that never stood a chance.
I will never forget the look on her face I told her I was more than happy to kill her if she tried to take my
firearms. I then ask her if she was willing to die to get them her reply was no. Debate ended with a furious
English professor.

Ok I am ready for the smart a$$ remarks about higher education system for my generation.

 

[gimpyrancher]

This may not surprise many but I have a different the on all these mass shootings.

According to something I read recently, it appears most of these shooters were on some type of SSRI's. These are the new rage in healthcare for people with "minor" psych complaints. One of the things they are known for (side effect) is blocking empathy in patients. Seems like a money maker for pharma. The gun manufacturers and the all gun owners get the blame and Pharma gets richer.

 

[sim.-ang.king]

This may not surprise many but I have a different the on all these mass shootings.

According to something I read recently, it appears most of these shooters were on some type of SSRI's. These are the new rage in healthcare for people with "minor" psych complaints. One of the things they are known for (side effect) is blocking empathy in patients. Seems like a money maker for pharma. The gun manufacturers and the all gun owners get the blame and Pharma gets richer.

I happen to agree with you on that. Some of those drugs Dr. hand out by the bottle full, can really mess a person up if it's not monitored, and levels regulated.