Forgot to add something.. I am going to try Ellingson Legacy(Olie) from ABS instead. I have seen some awfully good calves out of him. His carcass numbers hold up, his yw is higher than shear force, milk is lower, and he is still in the top 1% for both his ce and bw. Shear Force seems to sire enough yw from the calves i have seen, but that milk epd just makes me nervous. I havent come across many if any Sims that dont milk enough no matter what thier milk epd is.