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<blockquote data-quote="capt" data-source="post: 636600" data-attributes="member: 3759"><p>I think I'll stick with Ned on this one. First, 8203 is out of a recip so can't consider his actual birth weight at all. secondly, this picture is not the best to truly determine if 8203 is a really big framed bull or not, I say not. 286 has done remarkable things very consistently as has the 752 cow. 8203 scanned remarkably well after tremendous performance for what I would call a moderate framed bull.</p><p></p><p>I too have used Holden genetics and have seen as much as 20 pounds less birth weight with the exact matings between here and northern montana. Environment and management play a big role in determining birth weights. If you calve in winter in an area that has cold fall weather as well, the fact is those cows require more feed to maintain and with easy keeping cows in a grazing scenario you can't always limit their appetite. Therefore it becomes very easy to 'manufacture' some extra birth weight. In my scenario when winter doesn't become a concern, unfortunately like this very dry, very warm winter for me has, cows can get out and cover a lot of area and graze which in my experience does not 'manufacture' extra birth weight. 8203's birth epd is not a concern at all for me. IF he proves to be a sire of big birth weights then we will all know he wasn't right for the breed/industry. We all know what big birth weights have done! That all being said, I anxiously await the first crop of calves out of 8203 from whoever buys him and we will see exactly what he does.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="capt, post: 636600, member: 3759"] I think I'll stick with Ned on this one. First, 8203 is out of a recip so can't consider his actual birth weight at all. secondly, this picture is not the best to truly determine if 8203 is a really big framed bull or not, I say not. 286 has done remarkable things very consistently as has the 752 cow. 8203 scanned remarkably well after tremendous performance for what I would call a moderate framed bull. I too have used Holden genetics and have seen as much as 20 pounds less birth weight with the exact matings between here and northern montana. Environment and management play a big role in determining birth weights. If you calve in winter in an area that has cold fall weather as well, the fact is those cows require more feed to maintain and with easy keeping cows in a grazing scenario you can't always limit their appetite. Therefore it becomes very easy to 'manufacture' some extra birth weight. In my scenario when winter doesn't become a concern, unfortunately like this very dry, very warm winter for me has, cows can get out and cover a lot of area and graze which in my experience does not 'manufacture' extra birth weight. 8203's birth epd is not a concern at all for me. IF he proves to be a sire of big birth weights then we will all know he wasn't right for the breed/industry. We all know what big birth weights have done! That all being said, I anxiously await the first crop of calves out of 8203 from whoever buys him and we will see exactly what he does. [/QUOTE]
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