Highest ADG?

[Brandonm2]

Frankie,

You misunderstood me. What I meant is that a Char/Angus steer will ussually kill bigger than a straight Angus. He said that steers now days should kill at 1300lbs under 14 months of age. I agree except, if a moderate sized straight Angus cow only weighs 1100 to 1200lbs, her steer can't get that big, unless it is crossed with another breed like charlais. A typical straight breed fat steer will kill at his dams mature weight, unless it has been background fed for a while, but then it is most likely older than 14 months old.

I confess to not having a LOT of experience with "straightbred" steers; but I don't like that rule of thumb at all. MOST commercial cows HISTORICALLY are developed on grass not grain like somebody's fairs heifers. A cow that tops out at 1100 pounds or less probably is not as heavy as she could have been if fed out of a sack. Her grain fattened steers should top out at 1200+

 

[SEC]

Ryan, you need to remember that in order to get a realistic weight you should weigh the animal back to back when recording gains. he might not have drank before you weighed him and was full when you weighed him a second time. Little things like that will throw the numbers off.

 

[Aero]

Where do I find moderate framed Angus cows that weigh 1100 to 1200 pounds?

Somebody tell me, please?


mtnman

Kit Pharo has plenty of them... but there is no telling what they will weigh when you feed them.

 

[BRG]

Brandonm2,

But remember that those cows are mature and have had 8 or so years to get to her size where a feedlot steer is around 13 months old. The 13 month old animal just won't get as big as he could when they are pushing them this hard at this young of an age. Sure if he was on full feed for a couple years he would get bigger, just not at this age.

 

[BRG]

Lazy Ace,

I am not real sure where the Inner Mountain begins and ends but the Great Basin area isn't as big as one would think when comparing to the rest of the west. Here is a link that shows where the actual area of the Great Basin is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:APDW-en.png

Now, I would be willing to bet that once you go west of you and I, all the way to to the coast, the number of Black Angus cows outnumber the number of Hereford Cows. I will place a case of silver bullets on the line.

Don't know where I can find the actual numbers though. I will keep looking.

 

[lazy ace]

BRG I will take that bet but I will tell you we are both wrong :shock: The predominent bovine west of us is Dairy cattle. Here is a link to beef cattle versus dairy state by state.

http://usda.mannlib.cornell.edu/reports ... tl0106.pdf

Now here is an interesting link about herd health management. I belive this may swing things my direction because 6 out of the 11 states participating stated that 69 percent of all calves born were non polled :cboy: Hereford cattle have horns. Have you ever put horn weights on angus?



http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/ceah/ncahs ... f97pt1.pdf

Oh that free silver bullet tastes good...hand me another!!!!

Have a good one

lazy ace

 

[BRG]

I kind of thought most of the dairy cattle were east, but I knew CA and WA had alot. That surprises me some.

The other study you show is 10 years old. Since then the country's cowherd has changed. I still think that I am right.

Later,
Bryan

 

[Frankie]

Now here is an interesting link about herd health management. I belive this may swing things my direction because 6 out of the 11 states participating stated that 69 percent of all calves born were non polled :cboy: Hereford cattle have horns. Have you ever put horn weights on angus?



http://www.aphis.usda.gov/vs/ceah/ncahs ... f97pt1.pdf

I can't get that link to work, but if your argument is based on 69% being horned, there are lots of breeds other than Hereford that are naturally horned. Limousin, Simmental, Salers, in fact, most breeds are naturally horned.

The report seems to be from '97? The nation's cow herd has changed a lot since then. The Western Livestock Journal polls their readers every three years about their bull selection. The last poll in '04 showed almost 69% who responded to the poll were using Angus. That's a lot of black cattle being produced. Hereford was tied with Red Angus for second place at 13.2%.

WLJ poll: http://www.wlj.net/articles/rc_04bullsu ... 332473f62e

 

[VanC]

The Western Livestock Journal polls their readers every three years about their bull selection. The last poll in '04 showed almost 69% who responded to the poll were using Angus. That's a lot of black cattle being produced. Hereford was tied with Red Angus for second place at 13.2%.

WLJ poll: http://www.wlj.net/articles/rc_04bullsu ... 332473f62e

Not taking sides here, but I'd like to point out that this particular survey was based on only 267 responses from readers of one magazine. Not a very representative cross section in my book.

 

[mnmtranching]

Sorry folks, I like Herefords to, but fact is there are far more Black Angus bulls sold each year in the US then all other breeds put together. Check it out :roll:

mnmt

 

[Brandonm2]

Sorry folks, I like Herefords to, but fact is there are far more Black Angus bulls sold each year in the US then all other breeds put together. Check it out :roll:

mnmt

I like Herefords as well; but I do think that is an accurate statement from everything that I have read. Except for the most extreme southern climates where the Black color may be a negative, most commercial cattle are Angus crossed with Hereford, Angus crossed with a Continental breed, Angus crossed with an eared breed, or Angus crossed with Angus.